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How much protein in grams do I need at 88 kg on 1,000 kcal a day?

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The specifics, since they change the answer: 88 kg · 1,000 kcal.

I would rather understand the derivation than memorise the outcome.

Two people I asked gave two answers that differ by a factor of ten, which is suggestive.

Can someone show the working rather than just the answer?

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askedvoid_volume13k1611 Jan 2025
7Worth flagging that this changed in 2025, so older answers on the site are out of date. – loss_on_drying 6 months ago
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The commonly quoted figures for lean-mass loss are mostly measurement artefacts, and the artefact is well understood: fat-free mass as measured includes water and glycogen, both of which fall early and neither of which is contractile tissue.

The minimum effective resistance-training dose in a deficit is lower than most programmes assume. Two sessions a week covering the major movement patterns, with loads taken close to failure, is sufficient to retain most of what would otherwise be lost. Volume beyond that adds recovery cost that a large energy deficit is poorly placed to pay.

What each body-composition method measures

MethodMeasuresSensitive toLeast significant change
DEXAThree-compartment by attenuationHydration, positioning~2–3 % regional lean
BIA (consumer)Impedance, modelledHydration, food, temperatureNot usable at this timescale
Air displacementTwo-compartment by densityLung volume, hair, clothing~1–2 % fat mass
Tape and scaleCircumference, massTechniqueSurprisingly usable as a trend

DEXA precision is better than people assume for fat mass and worse than people assume for lean mass in a single scan — the least significant change for regional lean mass on a well-maintained scanner is on the order of a few per cent. That means two scans three months apart can differ without anything having happened, and it means a scan sequence needs to be at least three points before a trend is interpretable.

The body-composition substudies in the major programmes consistently report that the proportion of weight lost as fat mass is approximately three quarters or better, with the lean-mass fraction falling within the range seen in dietary weight loss of comparable magnitude[1].

The limitation of the arithmetic is that it assumes intake is being measured accurately, and self-reported intake is systematically underestimated by a substantial margin.

Two resistance sessions a week and a protein target you actually hit will do more than any refinement beyond them.

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3Adding for future readers: the certificate should carry the lot number, not just a batch code. – plate_count_9k 17 days ago
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On the detail: what the data supports is narrower than what gets recommended, so it is worth separating the two.

Protein target, worked: at 88 kg, a target of 1.6 g/kg is 88 × 1.6 = 141 g per day. Spread across three eating occasions that is roughly 47 g each, and the leucine threshold for a maximal muscle protein synthetic response is met at around 2.5 to 3 g of leucine, which corresponds to roughly 30 to 40 g of a high-quality protein. So three meals at 40 g plus one 25 g snack gets you to 145 g and clears the per-meal threshold each time. On 900 kcal that leaves about 340 kcal for everything else, which is the actual constraint.

The underlying point is that the regain trajectory after stopping is roughly a mirror of the loss trajectory, and it is not primarily a willpower phenomenon. Appetite signalling returns, energy expenditure remains suppressed relative to the original mass, and the two combine. That is an argument for a maintenance plan existing before the stop, rather than an argument against stopping.

SURMOUNT-4 provides the cleanest maintenance-versus-withdrawal contrast available in the class, and it is the reference for any claim about what happens after stopping[1].

Measure strength as well as mass. It is cheaper, it is less noisy, and it is closer to what you actually care about.

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answeredaine_mulcahy35k3823 Jan 2025
4I would gently push back on the second point — the evidence there is thinner than stated. – loss_on_drying 33 days ago
5Adding for future readers: the certificate should carry the lot number, not just a batch code. – stopper_core 3 months ago
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Specifically, the mechanism is worth having straight, because it predicts which interventions can work and which cannot.

Hydration state moves a DEXA lean-mass figure directly, because the algorithm assigns water to the lean compartment. Scanning fasted, at the same time of day, before training and without a recent high-carbohydrate day is the difference between a comparable sequence and a noisy one. Bioelectrical impedance is far more sensitive to hydration again, which is why its trend is unusable at this timescale.

Cardio does not interfere with lean-mass retention at the volumes anyone here is doing; the interference effect in the literature appears at high concurrent volumes in trained athletes. What cardio does at a large deficit is add to the deficit, which is either the point or a problem depending on the objective.

A maintenance plan written before you need it is worth more than a better loss plan.

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answeredkwn_analytical89k2481 May 2025
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To be exact about it, start with the arithmetic, because the answer to the practical question is usually a number and the number is usually achievable.

The first four weeks of loss is substantially fluid and glycogen. Each gram of stored glycogen carries roughly three grams of water, and total glycogen is on the order of 400 to 500 g, so the obligatory water shift alone accounts for a couple of kilograms. This is why the first month looks dramatic and the second looks like a plateau when in fact the fat-loss rate has not changed.

The plateau is arithmetic. Treat it as arithmetic and the response follows.

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answeredimani_dube19k2820 Mar 2025
7Worth adding that the method section is where the answer usually is. – marta_okonkwo 2 months ago
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Specifically, a plateau at four to six months is the expected shape of the curve, not a failure of it. Energy expenditure falls with mass, and the deficit closes itself unless intake falls further.

Food noise returning is not obviously tolerance. Receptor desensitisation is one hypothesis; a second is that the initial effect was partly novelty and partly the steep early deficit, and a third is that intake has drifted upward and the signal is being outcompeted rather than weakened. The three make different predictions about what a dose increase would do.

Train, eat the protein, measure something functional, and give the trend three months before you interpret it.

edited 23 Jan 2025 by Dr_Lena_Ostrowska — tightened the wording; no substantive change

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answeredDr_Lena_Ostrowska42k3812 Jan 2025

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