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What protein target should I use, and is 130 g even geometrically possible inside 900 kcal?

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I am 92.4 kg, female, 34, on tirzepatide 7.5 mg, and my logged intake has settled at roughly 900 kcal a day. I did not choose 900. It is what I eat when I eat until I am done eating.

Everything I read says 1.6 g/kg minimum, which for me is about 148 g of protein. When I put 148 g into the arithmetic it comes out at 592 kcal, which is nearly two thirds of everything I am eating. That leaves about 300 kcal for all fat, all carbohydrate, all vegetables, all dairy, all of it. That does not seem like a diet a person can eat, and it certainly is not one I have managed to eat.

So my questions:

  • Should the g/kg figure use my current weight, my goal weight, or my lean mass? These give wildly different targets and nobody ever specifies.
  • Is there a food-selection strategy that makes a high protein target fit inside a small energy budget, or is the honest answer that 900 kcal and 148 g of protein are incompatible?
  • If they are incompatible, which do I fix?

I have a DEXA from six weeks ago: lean soft tissue 51.6 kg, fat mass 38.4 kg. I lift twice a week. I am not trying to compete at anything, I just do not want to arrive at 70 kg having burned through my legs.

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askedleonid_marchuk15k2819 Mar 2025
3Post what your actual current protein intake is. The gap between target and actual is the real subject here. – sian_llewellyn 10 months ago
4The 900 figure is the more alarming number in this post, not the protein one. – marcus_thorbjorn 38 days ago
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They are close to incompatible, and the thing to fix is the 900, not the protein. Here is the arithmetic that shows why, and then the food selection that gets you as far as food selection can get you.

Step 1: which body mass goes in the denominator

All three conventions exist in the literature and they are not interchangeable. Compute all three and take the middle:

Current body weight, 1.6 g/kg:
  1.6 x 92.4 = 147.8 g  -> call it 148 g

Goal body weight (say 72 kg), 1.6 g/kg:
  1.6 x 72   = 115.2 g  -> call it 115 g

Lean soft tissue from your DEXA, 2.2 g/kg LBM:
  2.2 x 51.6 = 113.5 g  -> call it 114 g

The convergence of the last two is not a coincidence: goal-weight scaling and lean-mass scaling are approximately the same calculation once you accept that fat mass has essentially no protein requirement. Current-body-weight scaling over-estimates the requirement for anyone carrying substantial fat mass, which is most people on these drugs. That single correction takes your target from 148 g to about 115 g and the problem becomes tractable.

Working target: 115-125 g/day. Treat 115 as the floor and anything above it as a bonus.

Step 2: the energy cost of protein, and why food choice is the whole game

115 g x 4 kcal/g = 460 kcal of the 900 kcal budget = 51%

But that is the cost of pure protein. Food comes with the fat and carbohydrate attached. The number that actually determines feasibility is protein density: grams of protein per 100 kcal of the food as eaten.

Food (cooked, per 100 g unless stated)ProteinEnergyg protein per 100 kcal
Whey protein isolate, dry powder90 g370 kcal24.3
Prawns, boiled24 g99 kcal24.2
Cod or haddock, baked23 g105 kcal21.9
Tuna, tinned in water, drained24 g108 kcal22.2
Egg white, raw11 g52 kcal21.2
Chicken breast, skinless, roasted31 g165 kcal18.8
Turkey breast, skinless29 g157 kcal18.5
Greek yoghurt, 0% fat10 g59 kcal16.9
Cottage cheese, low fat11 g72 kcal15.3
Sirloin steak, lean, grilled29 g206 kcal14.1
Tofu, firm17 g144 kcal11.8
Whole egg, boiled13 g143 kcal9.1
Lentils, boiled9 g116 kcal7.8
Salmon, farmed, baked25 g232 kcal10.8

Now the feasibility test. What average protein density do you need to hit 115 g inside a given fraction of 900 kcal?

If protein foods may occupy 550 kcal of the 900:
  required density = 115 g / 550 kcal x 100 = 20.9 g per 100 kcal

If protein foods may occupy 650 kcal:
  required density = 115 / 650 x 100 = 17.7 g per 100 kcal

If protein foods may occupy 460 kcal (the theoretical floor):
  required density = 115 / 460 x 100 = 25.0 g per 100 kcal

Look at the table. A required density of 25 exceeds every real food including isolate powder, so the theoretical floor is unreachable. A required density of 20.9 is reachable but only if essentially everything you eat is white fish, prawns, egg white, tinned tuna and isolate. A required density of 17.7 is comfortably reachable with chicken, turkey, 0% Greek yoghurt and one isolate serving, and leaves 250 kcal for vegetables and a little fat.

So: 115 g inside 900 kcal is possible, and it costs you roughly 650 of your 900 kcal, i.e. 72% of intake. That is a diet with essentially no discretionary energy in it at all.

Step 3: which do you fix

Fix the 900. Not by forcing food, which does not work when the appetite signal is genuinely absent, but by raising the energy density of what you already eat so the same volume carries more energy. Olive oil on the vegetables. Full-fat Greek yoghurt instead of 0%. Whole eggs alongside whites. Nuts as a deliberate item rather than an indulgence. Going from 900 to 1250 kcal changes the required protein density from 17.7 to about 11, which is the density of ordinary food, and the problem dissolves.

The reason to fix it in that direction rather than accepting 900 is that total energy availability, not protein alone, drives lean-mass retention. You can eat 115 g of protein at 900 kcal and still lose lean tissue, because a large fraction of that protein gets oxidised for energy rather than used for repair when the energy deficit is severe enough. Protein is not a substitute for calories. At 92.4 kg, 900 kcal is roughly a 60% deficit, and that is the variable doing the damage.

One thing worth raising with whoever prescribes for you: intake this low, sustained, is a reason to discuss whether your current dose is above what you need, rather than something to solve entirely with food engineering.

edited 5 Apr 2025 by lyoph_cake — added the method parameters

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answered · acceptedlyoph_cake95k25825 Mar 2025
3The protein density table is the part I have wanted for two years. Prawns and egg whites being tied with isolate powder is not intuitive. – coldpack_88 11 days ago
4Agreed on fixing the energy first. Protein at a 60% deficit gets burned, not built with. – mateo_iglesias 2 months ago
Worth adding that raising energy density also raises palatability, which is the actual mechanism by which people manage to eat more. – ilaria_bertone 4 months ago
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Answering the "should it be current, goal or lean" question from a different direction, because there is a cleaner way to think about it than picking a convention.

Protein requirement scales with the mass of metabolically active, protein-containing tissue you are trying to maintain. Adipose tissue contains very little protein and demands very little turnover. So the physiologically correct denominator is lean mass or something that proxies it. The g/kg-of-body-weight conventions are shortcuts that happen to work for the populations they were derived in, which were mostly lean or moderately overweight trained adults, and they break down badly at high body-fat percentages.

Concretely, for a hypothetical 140 kg person with 55 kg of lean mass:

1.6 g/kg body weight  = 1.6 x 140 = 224 g/day
2.2 g/kg lean mass    = 2.2 x 55  = 121 g/day

The first number is absurd and nobody eats it. The second is achievable. Nothing about the first number's provenance makes it correct for that body.

Practical rule I use and have not found a good argument against: 2.0-2.4 g per kg of lean soft tissue, or if you have no DEXA, 1.6-1.8 g per kg of a realistic goal weight. Recompute every time you drop 10 kg, because lean mass changes too, just much more slowly than total mass. The recomputation matters less than people think, which is another argument for lean-mass scaling: your target barely moves as you lose weight, whereas a current-weight target falls by 30 g over a year of losing, which is exactly backwards from what you want.

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answeredrota_site55k385 Apr 2025
3The point that current-weight scaling lowers your target as you get leaner, when the risk is rising, is the strongest argument here. – Dr_Ravi_Selvarajah 18 days ago
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A tactical note that has more effect on real-world intake than any of the target arithmetic: eat the protein first, in the first two hours of the day, before the appetite suppression has had a chance to build.

The pharmacology is not flat across a day or a week. Most people on weekly dosing report the strongest suppression on days one to three post-injection and the loosest on days five to seven, and within a day appetite is usually most available on waking and least available in the evening. If you are trying to reach a target that requires 72% of your energy budget, the sequencing matters enormously. Attempting a 45 g protein dinner on day two post-dose is how people end up at 60 g for the day and conclude that the target is impossible.

What works, reported repeatedly and consistent with my own logs:

  • Front-load. A 40-50 g breakfast when you can still eat means the rest of the day only needs 65-75 g.
  • Use the loose days deliberately. If days five through seven are easier, put your two largest protein meals there rather than distributing evenly and failing evenly.
  • Drink rather than chew when chewing is the barrier. Volume tolerance and chew tolerance are different constraints and shakes bypass the second.
  • Cold protein is often tolerable when hot protein is not. The smell of cooking meat is a common trigger. Cold prawns, cold chicken, Greek yoghurt, cottage cheese.

None of this is a substitute for the accepted answer's point about total energy. It is how you execute a target once you have set a sane one.

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answeredDr_Aoife_Brennan50k4830 Jun 2025

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