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How many times can I pierce a stopper with a 25G drawing needle before coring?

Asked 25 Jun 2025Modified 9 months agoViewed 9.4k times
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For context, I am working with a 10 mg presentation and a 2 mL fill.

I am trying to do this correctly the first time rather than learn it by getting it wrong.

I have already made one mistake here that cost me a vial, so I am being deliberately careful.

What would you do, and what would you check afterwards?

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askedcarys_meredith12k1625 Jun 2025

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There is no count, and 25G is why: coring is a single event, not an accumulation. A needle cores when its bevel punches a full disc of rubber instead of parting it, and that either happens on a given puncture or does not. At 25G the bore is wide enough to take a plug you can see floating, which is at least honest about itself. Technique moves the odds far more than the count does: enter at an angle, rotate the bevel, then bring it upright — that parts the septum rather than punching it. Inspect against a dark background before every draw, because the number of punctures a stopper survives is a property of that stopper and this is the only way to find it out.

The relevant detail is that for a 4 mm pen-style needle the gauge options are narrow and the choice is nearly made for you.

Drawing a viscous or foamy solution through a fine needle takes long enough that people rush the plunger, which causes more foaming. Using a wider drawing needle is the fix.

Specifically, a 30G or 31G needle through a butyl stopper leaves a track that reseals, which is why fine-gauge repeated entry is tolerable and coarse-gauge repeated entry is not.

Butyl rubber closures are specified for resealing after piercing up to a stated gauge, which is the basis for the fine-gauge repeated-entry practice.

Gauge numbers run backwards. Higher number, thinner needle.

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It helps to be literal here: the relevant physics is the fourth-power dependence of flow on radius, which makes small gauge differences enormous in practice.

Typical outer diameters: 21G is about 0.82 mm, 23G about 0.64 mm, 25G about 0.51 mm, 29G about 0.34 mm and 31G about 0.26 mm. The gauge number and the diameter move in opposite directions.

Fixed-needle insulin syringes are supplied in 29G to 31G and cannot be swapped for drawing, which is the trade-off against their much lower dead space.

Nothing here is medical advice.

Big to draw, small to inject, never the same one twice.

edited 28 Aug 2025 by low_dead_space — added the method parameters

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answeredlow_dead_space37k378 Aug 2025
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Answer first: use the largest bore you tolerate for drawing and the smallest for injecting, because the two operations have opposite requirements.

Stopper coring — punching a disc of rubber into the solution — is a large-bore phenomenon. An 18G or 21G needle inserted straight and fast is the classic way to do it; inserting at a slight angle with the bevel up reduces the risk.

For injecting, 29G to 31G is the usual range and the difference in perceived discomfort between them is small. Needle length matters more than gauge for comfort at these volumes.

If a solution will not draw through a 25G needle, the problem is the solution rather than the needle.

Angle the bevel and insert gently to avoid coring the stopper.

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This is a straightforward answer that people over-complicate because the numbering is counter-intuitive.

Very fine needles are more prone to bending and to blocking with any particulate, which is a practical argument for inspecting the solution before drawing.

The Hagen–Poiseuille relation gives flow proportional to the fourth power of radius, which is the quantitative basis for every gauge recommendation here.

Flow goes as the fourth power of radius. That is why the difference feels so large.

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Answering this needs to know the viscosity of what is being drawn, since a viscous solution through a fine needle is slow enough to encourage bad technique.

Flow through a needle scales with the fourth power of the internal radius under the Hagen–Poiseuille relation. Halving the radius reduces flow sixteen-fold at the same pressure, which is why a 31G needle draws so much more slowly than a 21G.

Length affects comfort more than gauge does at these volumes.

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answeredgunnar_isaksen14k1728 Jul 2025

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