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How many times can I pierce a stopper with a 18G drawing needle before coring?

Asked 17 Jun 2024Modified 23 months agoViewed 18k times
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I keep a written log of every draw with date, volume and syringe type.

I want a method I can write down and repeat, not a rule of thumb.

I would rather over-engineer this than discover a problem later, within reason.

Concretely, what should I do, and how would I know afterwards whether I did it right?

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askedj_wierzbicki45k3817 Jun 2024

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The distinction that resolves most of these questions is understanding what concentration actually means and why it is not the same as label claim.

Worked example, because the general form is easier to trust once you have seen it once. Take a 10 mg vial and add 2 mL of diluent: the concentration is 10 ÷ 2 = 5 mg/mL. A 0.5 mg dose is 0.5 ÷ 5 = 0.1 mL. On a U-100 syringe, where 1 unit = 0.01 mL, that is 0.1 ÷ 0.01 = 10 units. Change the diluent to 1 mL and the same dose becomes 5 units — same dose, half the resolution.

Dead space by syringe type

ConfigurationDead volumeLoss at 5 mg/mLOver 20 draws
Fixed-needle insulin syringe3–5 µL15–25 µg0.3–0.5 mg
Low-dead-space, detachable<2 µL<10 µg<0.2 mg
Standard luer-lock + 30G35–60 µL175–300 µg3.5–6 mg
Luer-lock + 21G drawing needle70–100 µL350–500 µg7–10 mg

On the detail: on filtration: a 0.22 µm syringe filter will remove particulates and organisms, and it will also adsorb a fraction of your peptide onto the membrane — with a low-binding PVDF or PES membrane the loss is typically a few per cent.

The insulin-unit standard U-100 means 100 units per millilitre, so one unit is 0.01 mL — this is the conversion that trips up more people here than any other single piece of arithmetic.

The caveat is that this assumes the vial contains what the label says, and if the content assay has not been done, the arithmetic is precise about an unknown quantity.

Write the arithmetic on the vial label. It costs nothing and removes the step where you reconstruct it from memory.

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answered · acceptedlyoph_cake95k2582 Jul 2024
8Worth flagging that this changed in 2025, so older answers on the site are out of date. – tess_amankwah 26 days ago
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In practice, write the units at every step, because units errors are the failure mode that catches everyone eventually.

The concentration you actually work with is label claim times content fraction divided by actual diluent volume, which is usually not the same as the nominal concentration because content is usually not 100 per cent and you rarely measure the diluent volume to 0.1 mL precision.

Breaking it down further: if a 10 mg vial has 96.5 per cent content, you have 9.65 mg of peptide. Divide that by 2.00 mL and your concentration is 4.825 mg/mL, not 5.00 mg/mL, which is a 3.5 per cent systematic error in every dose calculation.

The Arrhenius relationship for drawing kinetics means that cold solution takes noticeably longer to draw than room-temperature solution.

Do the arithmetic twice, ideally with someone else doing it independently.

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answeredbufferline4249k1387 Sept 2024
8Worth flagging that this changed in 2025, so older answers on the site are out of date. – tandem_gradient 3 months ago
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It helps to be literal here: this is arithmetic, so let us do the arithmetic rather than argue about it.

The rounding error accumulates if you round too many times — rounding concentration to 5.0, rounding the dose volume to 0.1 mL, rounding the unit reading to 10 — and the safest approach is to work the full precision and round only the final answer.

The relevant detail is that dead space quantified: a fixed-needle insulin syringe holds roughly 3 to 5 µL in the hub and needle after the plunger bottoms out. A luer-lock syringe with a detachable needle holds 35 to 100 µL depending on the hub design. At 5 mg/mL that is 15 to 25 µg lost per draw on the insulin syringe and 175 to 500 µg on the luer-lock — which over ten draws is the difference between losing a rounding error and losing half a milligram.

The content assay results from major testing services show that nominal vial claim and measured content differ by one to ten per cent, making content a driver of dose error.

I would flag the obvious failure mode: people get the concentration right, get the volume right, and then read the syringe against the wrong scale.

If in doubt, use more diluent and accept the shorter usable window.

edited 12 Aug 2024 by bea_forsberg — corrected a unit error in the worked example

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answeredbea_forsberg14k2824 Jul 2024
6Minor: the trial name is hyphenated in the original publication. – k_szabo 9 months ago
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The part that matters: the common error is getting the concentration right but then misreading the syringe scale, which is why checking the barrel marking rather than your memory matters.

Room temperature before drawing is worth the ten minutes. Cold solution is more viscous, draws slower, and condensation on a cold barrel makes it harder to read the meniscus.

Published data on syringe dead space quantifies low-dead-space designs as retaining under 2 µL against 35 µL or more for conventional detachable-needle syringes.

Write the arithmetic on the vial label. It costs nothing and removes the step where you reconstruct it from memory.

edited 13 Jul 2024 by Dr_Nadia_Farsi — added a caveat about sampling

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answeredDr_Nadia_Farsi90k25813 Jul 2024
8This is the answer I was looking for three months ago. – claudia_ferrante 5 months ago
The arithmetic checks out. I ran the same numbers and got the same result. – lyoph_cake 7 months ago
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Work in the order concentration, then volume, then units, and the arithmetic stops being confusing. Concentration is milligrams per millilitre and comes from the vial contents and the diluent volume. Volume per dose is dose divided by concentration. Units on a U-100 syringe are volume in millilitres multiplied by one hundred.

Do not use the same needle to pierce the stopper and to administer. The tip is blunted by the stopper, and the hub now contains a dose you are about to lose to dead space anyway.

The insulin-unit standard U-100 means 100 units per millilitre, so one unit is 0.01 mL — this is the conversion that trips up more people here than any other single piece of arithmetic.

Do the arithmetic twice, ideally with someone else doing it independently.

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answeredw_okoye40k13821 Jun 2024

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