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Is SURMOUNT-1 a fair comparison of survodutide against its comparator arm?

Asked 29 Dec 2025Modified 6 months agoViewed 13k times
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The specifics, since they change the answer: SURMOUNT-1 · survodutide.

Somebody stated this to me confidently and I would like to check it before repeating it.

I would accept a well-reasoned negative answer over a poorly sourced positive one.

Is this actually true, and what is the evidence?

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askedbea_castellanos47k13829 Dec 2025
6Good answer, but the confidence interval in the cited trial is wider than implied. – Dr_Nadia_Farsi 27 days ago
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Read the estimand before the effect size. Almost every apparent contradiction between two published figures from the same trial resolves once you notice that one is a trial-product estimand and the other is a treatment-policy estimand.

Absolute risk reduction, worked: if the control-arm event rate is 8.0 per cent over the follow-up period and the hazard ratio is 0.80, the treated rate is approximately 6.4 per cent, the absolute risk reduction is 1.6 percentage points, and the number needed to treat is 1 ÷ 0.016 ≈ 63 over that period. A 20 per cent relative reduction and a number needed to treat of 63 are the same finding stated two ways, and only one of them sounds impressive.

In practice, apoB and LDL-C disagree because they measure different things: LDL-C is the cholesterol mass carried in the LDL fraction, ApoB is a count of atherogenic particles. Small dense particles carry less cholesterol each, so a person with many small particles has a concordantly higher ApoB than their LDL-C suggests. When they disagree, ApoB is the better risk marker.

The caveat is the population. Trial participants were screened, monitored and supported; the effect size in an unmonitored setting is not the trial effect size, and it is not obvious in which direction the difference runs.

Read the confidence interval, read the estimand, and compute the absolute effect yourself. It takes two minutes and it changes how the result feels.

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answeredgradient_slope41k3821 Jan 2026
The distinction between purity and content cannot be repeated often enough here. – aine_mulcahy 2 months ago
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