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Is resistance training seven times a week enough at 900 kcal a day?

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What I am working with: seven · 900 kcal.

I am trying to build something sustainable rather than something thorough that I will abandon.

I have already decided the broad direction; this is about the specifics.

How would you structure this, and what thresholds would you set in advance?

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askedyuki_morishita19k1830 Jul 2024
3Small correction: the units in the third paragraph should be micrograms, not milligrams. – low_dead_space 9 months ago
4Do you have a reference for the last claim? Not disputing it, just want to read it. – Dr_Nadia_Farsi 35 days ago
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More usefully, a plateau at four to six months is the expected shape of the curve, not a failure of it. Energy expenditure falls with mass, and the deficit closes itself unless intake falls further.

Absolute strength holds up better than scale weight during a deficit for a straightforward reason: strength is substantially neural and skill-based, and the contractile tissue you retain is being trained harder relative to its size. Grip strength and repetition maxima are therefore lagging indicators of muscle loss rather than leading ones, which is an argument for measuring both.

The regain trajectory after stopping is roughly a mirror of the loss trajectory, and it is not primarily a willpower phenomenon. Appetite signalling returns, energy expenditure remains suppressed relative to the original mass, and the two combine. That is an argument for a maintenance plan existing before the stop, rather than an argument against stopping.

The evidence for a higher protein intake preserving lean mass during an energy deficit is reasonably strong in resistance-trained populations and weaker in sedentary ones, with the meta-analytic estimates supporting intakes in the region of 1.6 g/kg over lower intakes when training is present[1].

Two resistance sessions a week and a protein target you actually hit will do more than any refinement beyond them.

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answered · acceptedDr_Lena_Ostrowska42k3810 Sept 2024
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It helps to be literal here: the distinction that resolves this is between proportional loss and functional loss. Losing lean mass in proportion to total mass is what happens in every weight loss intervention. Losing function is not, and function is measurable.

Fibre at very low total intake is a trap. Soluble fibre needs water and motility to work; insoluble fibre adds bulk to a slow transit. At 900 kcal a day with delayed gastric emptying, an osmotic agent is more predictable than a bulking one, and adequate fluid is doing more work than either.

To be exact about it, food noise returning is not obviously tolerance. Receptor desensitisation is one hypothesis; a second is that the initial effect was partly novelty and partly the steep early deficit, and a third is that intake has drifted upward and the signal is being outcompeted rather than weakened. The three make different predictions about what a dose increase would do.

SURMOUNT-4 provides the cleanest maintenance-versus-withdrawal contrast available in the class, and it is the reference for any claim about what happens after stopping[1].

Measure strength as well as mass. It is cheaper, it is less noisy, and it is closer to what you actually care about.

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answeredaine_mulcahy35k3821 Sept 2024
4I have seen exactly this failure mode twice and both times it was the diluent. – rae_oyelowo 20 days ago
3The distinction between purity and content cannot be repeated often enough here. – tobias_maartens 9 months ago
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In practice, the mechanism is worth having straight, because it predicts which interventions can work and which cannot.

DEXA precision is better than people assume for fat mass and worse than people assume for lean mass in a single scan — the least significant change for regional lean mass on a well-maintained scanner is on the order of a few per cent. That means two scans three months apart can differ without anything having happened, and it means a scan sequence needs to be at least three points before a trend is interpretable.

The first four weeks of loss is substantially fluid and glycogen. Each gram of stored glycogen carries roughly three grams of water, and total glycogen is on the order of 400 to 500 g, so the obligatory water shift alone accounts for a couple of kilograms. This is why the first month looks dramatic and the second looks like a plateau when in fact the fat-loss rate has not changed.

One qualification: none of this is a clinical assessment, and unexplained loss of function rather than of mass is a reason to see someone rather than to adjust a programme.

The plateau is arithmetic. Treat it as arithmetic and the response follows.

edited 22 Nov 2024 by bac_or_bust — added the citation requested in comments

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answeredbac_or_bust37k13814 Nov 2024
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The commonly quoted figures for lean-mass loss are mostly measurement artefacts, and the artefact is well understood: fat-free mass as measured includes water and glycogen, both of which fall early and neither of which is contractile tissue.

Protein target, worked: at 88 kg, a target of 1.6 g/kg is 88 × 1.6 = 141 g per day. Spread across three eating occasions that is roughly 47 g each, and the leucine threshold for a maximal muscle protein synthetic response is met at around 2.5 to 3 g of leucine, which corresponds to roughly 30 to 40 g of a high-quality protein. So three meals at 40 g plus one 25 g snack gets you to 145 g and clears the per-meal threshold each time. On 900 kcal that leaves about 340 kcal for everything else, which is the actual constraint.

The STEP 1 extension reported substantial regain in the year after treatment withdrawal, with weight and cardiometabolic variables trending back toward baseline[1].

I would be careful with the supplement literature here; effect sizes are small, the studies are mostly in trained young men, and generalisation to a large deficit is not obviously valid.

Train, eat the protein, measure something functional, and give the trend three months before you interpret it.

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answereds_bhattacharya42k382 Oct 2024
8Related: the same reasoning applies to the counter-ion question. – tyndall_haze 5 months ago
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Start with the arithmetic, because the answer to the practical question is usually a number and the number is usually achievable.

Hydration state moves a DEXA lean-mass figure directly, because the algorithm assigns water to the lean compartment. Scanning fasted, at the same time of day, before training and without a recent high-carbohydrate day is the difference between a comparable sequence and a noisy one. Bioelectrical impedance is far more sensitive to hydration again, which is why its trend is unusable at this timescale.

The limitation of the arithmetic is that it assumes intake is being measured accurately, and self-reported intake is systematically underestimated by a substantial margin.

A maintenance plan written before you need it is worth more than a better loss plan.

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