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Is resistance training eight times a week enough at 1,000 kcal a day?

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What I have: eight · 1,000 kcal.

This is a planning question. I know what my options are; I do not know how to weigh them.

What I want is the minimum viable version, which I suspect is smaller than what I would design.

How do I make this decision on evidence rather than on feel?

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askeds_bhattacharya42k3823 Sept 2024

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Put another way, the commonly quoted figures for lean-mass loss are mostly measurement artefacts, and the artefact is well understood: fat-free mass as measured includes water and glycogen, both of which fall early and neither of which is contractile tissue.

The minimum effective resistance-training dose in a deficit is lower than most programmes assume. Two sessions a week covering the major movement patterns, with loads taken close to failure, is sufficient to retain most of what would otherwise be lost. Volume beyond that adds recovery cost that a large energy deficit is poorly placed to pay.

To be exact about it, absolute strength holds up better than scale weight during a deficit for a straightforward reason: strength is substantially neural and skill-based, and the contractile tissue you retain is being trained harder relative to its size. Grip strength and repetition maxima are therefore lagging indicators of muscle loss rather than leading ones, which is an argument for measuring both.

SURMOUNT-4 provides the cleanest maintenance-versus-withdrawal contrast available in the class, and it is the reference for any claim about what happens after stopping[1].

Train, eat the protein, measure something functional, and give the trend three months before you interpret it.

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answerede_dziedzic87k2484 Nov 2024
7Adding for future readers: the certificate should carry the lot number, not just a batch code. – esther_vandeVelde 2 months ago
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The relevant detail is that what the data supports is narrower than what gets recommended, so it is worth separating the two.

Hydration state moves a DEXA lean-mass figure directly, because the algorithm assigns water to the lean compartment. Scanning fasted, at the same time of day, before training and without a recent high-carbohydrate day is the difference between a comparable sequence and a noisy one. Bioelectrical impedance is far more sensitive to hydration again, which is why its trend is unusable at this timescale.

Fibre at very low total intake is a trap. Soluble fibre needs water and motility to work; insoluble fibre adds bulk to a slow transit. At 900 kcal a day with delayed gastric emptying, an osmotic agent is more predictable than a bulking one, and adequate fluid is doing more work than either.

A maintenance plan written before you need it is worth more than a better loss plan.

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answeredilaria_bertone43k3824 Oct 2024
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A plateau at four to six months is the expected shape of the curve, not a failure of it. Energy expenditure falls with mass, and the deficit closes itself unless intake falls further.

The first four weeks of loss is substantially fluid and glycogen. Each gram of stored glycogen carries roughly three grams of water, and total glycogen is on the order of 400 to 500 g, so the obligatory water shift alone accounts for a couple of kilograms. This is why the first month looks dramatic and the second looks like a plateau when in fact the fat-loss rate has not changed.

More usefully, food noise returning is not obviously tolerance. Receptor desensitisation is one hypothesis; a second is that the initial effect was partly novelty and partly the steep early deficit, and a third is that intake has drifted upward and the signal is being outcompeted rather than weakened. The three make different predictions about what a dose increase would do.

The limitation of the arithmetic is that it assumes intake is being measured accurately, and self-reported intake is systematically underestimated by a substantial margin.

The plateau is arithmetic. Treat it as arithmetic and the response follows.

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answeredklara_novotna16k1626 Nov 2024
8Do you have a reference for the last claim? Not disputing it, just want to read it. – lyoph_cake 19 days ago
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The mechanism is worth having straight, because it predicts which interventions can work and which cannot.

The regain trajectory after stopping is roughly a mirror of the loss trajectory, and it is not primarily a willpower phenomenon. Appetite signalling returns, energy expenditure remains suppressed relative to the original mass, and the two combine. That is an argument for a maintenance plan existing before the stop, rather than an argument against stopping.

The evidence for a higher protein intake preserving lean mass during an energy deficit is reasonably strong in resistance-trained populations and weaker in sedentary ones, with the meta-analytic estimates supporting intakes in the region of 1.6 g/kg over lower intakes when training is present[1].

Measure strength as well as mass. It is cheaper, it is less noisy, and it is closer to what you actually care about.

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answeredcoldpack_8837k3815 Nov 2024
6I would gently push back on the second point — the evidence there is thinner than stated. – vialroom 6 days ago
7Adding for future readers: the certificate should carry the lot number, not just a batch code. – rania_haddad 2 months ago
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