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Is resistance training twelve times a week enough at 1,400 kcal a day?

Asked 5 May 2024Modified 2.0 years agoViewed 22k times
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The case in front of me: twelve · 1,400 kcal.

I want to decide this in advance so that I am not deciding it under pressure later.

Assume I will follow the plan I write down, so I would like it to be a good one.

What should I decide now, and what should I defer?

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askednadia_kowalczyk14k175 May 2024

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On the detail: start with the arithmetic, because the answer to the practical question is usually a number and the number is usually achievable.

DEXA precision is better than people assume for fat mass and worse than people assume for lean mass in a single scan — the least significant change for regional lean mass on a well-maintained scanner is on the order of a few per cent. That means two scans three months apart can differ without anything having happened, and it means a scan sequence needs to be at least three points before a trend is interpretable.

The first four weeks of loss is substantially fluid and glycogen. Each gram of stored glycogen carries roughly three grams of water, and total glycogen is on the order of 400 to 500 g, so the obligatory water shift alone accounts for a couple of kilograms. This is why the first month looks dramatic and the second looks like a plateau when in fact the fat-loss rate has not changed.

Adaptive thermogenesis — a fall in energy expenditure beyond that predicted by the change in body composition — is documented across weight-loss interventions and is the mechanistic basis for the plateau being expected rather than anomalous.

Measure strength as well as mass. It is cheaper, it is less noisy, and it is closer to what you actually care about.

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answered · acceptedDr_Ilse_Vandenberg78k24817 Jul 2024
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What the data supports is narrower than what gets recommended, so it is worth separating the two.

Cardio does not interfere with lean-mass retention at the volumes anyone here is doing; the interference effect in the literature appears at high concurrent volumes in trained athletes. What cardio does at a large deficit is add to the deficit, which is either the point or a problem depending on the objective.

More usefully, the minimum effective resistance-training dose in a deficit is lower than most programmes assume. Two sessions a week covering the major movement patterns, with loads taken close to failure, is sufficient to retain most of what would otherwise be lost. Volume beyond that adds recovery cost that a large energy deficit is poorly placed to pay.

The body-composition substudies in the major programmes consistently report that the proportion of weight lost as fat mass is approximately three quarters or better, with the lean-mass fraction falling within the range seen in dietary weight loss of comparable magnitude[1].

Train, eat the protein, measure something functional, and give the trend three months before you interpret it.

edited 7 Aug 2024 by charge_state_3 — reworded for clarity after a comment

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answeredcharge_state_339k4828 Jul 2024
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The commonly quoted figures for lean-mass loss are mostly measurement artefacts, and the artefact is well understood: fat-free mass as measured includes water and glycogen, both of which fall early and neither of which is contractile tissue.

Food noise returning is not obviously tolerance. Receptor desensitisation is one hypothesis; a second is that the initial effect was partly novelty and partly the steep early deficit, and a third is that intake has drifted upward and the signal is being outcompeted rather than weakened. The three make different predictions about what a dose increase would do.

Hydration state moves a DEXA lean-mass figure directly, because the algorithm assigns water to the lean compartment. Scanning fasted, at the same time of day, before training and without a recent high-carbohydrate day is the difference between a comparable sequence and a noisy one. Bioelectrical impedance is far more sensitive to hydration again, which is why its trend is unusable at this timescale.

The plateau is arithmetic. Treat it as arithmetic and the response follows.

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answeredines_brandt93k24825 Jun 2024
3For what it is worth, my own result was within half a per cent of this. – sian_llewellyn 9 days ago
2Any reason this would differ for a longer peptide? – m_haraldsen 9 months ago
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The mechanism is worth having straight, because it predicts which interventions can work and which cannot.

Absolute strength holds up better than scale weight during a deficit for a straightforward reason: strength is substantially neural and skill-based, and the contractile tissue you retain is being trained harder relative to its size. Grip strength and repetition maxima are therefore lagging indicators of muscle loss rather than leading ones, which is an argument for measuring both.

The STEP 1 extension reported substantial regain in the year after treatment withdrawal, with weight and cardiometabolic variables trending back toward baseline[1].

One qualification: none of this is a clinical assessment, and unexplained loss of function rather than of mass is a reason to see someone rather than to adjust a programme.

Two resistance sessions a week and a protein target you actually hit will do more than any refinement beyond them.

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answeredDr_Otto_Lindqvist38k383 Jun 2024
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The distinction that resolves this is between proportional loss and functional loss. Losing lean mass in proportion to total mass is what happens in every weight loss intervention. Losing function is not, and function is measurable.

Fibre at very low total intake is a trap. Soluble fibre needs water and motility to work; insoluble fibre adds bulk to a slow transit. At 900 kcal a day with delayed gastric emptying, an osmotic agent is more predictable than a bulking one, and adequate fluid is doing more work than either.

Worth stating that a DEXA sequence is only as good as its protocol consistency, and most people’s sequences are not consistent enough to support the conclusions drawn from them.

A maintenance plan written before you need it is worth more than a better loss plan.

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answeredsinead_gaffney14k286 Jul 2024
8The arithmetic checks out. I ran the same numbers and got the same result. – eoin_mcgarry 6 months ago
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