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Is an 18G drawing needle the right choice for drawing dulaglutide at 20 mg/mL?

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What I have: an 18G drawing needle · dulaglutide · 20 mg/mL.

I want to know what the trade-off actually is rather than which option is fashionable.

I would rather have a defensible reason than a marginal improvement.

So which one, and on what grounds?

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askedone_ml_bac18k2718 May 2024
4Voting to keep this open — it is more specific than it first looks. – Dr_Sara_Kuusela 2 months ago
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At 20 mg/mL a 1 mg dose is 0.05 mL — 5 units on a U-100 barrel — and no needle gauge changes that number. Gauge changes three other things: how long the draw takes, how much stays behind in the hub, and how much rubber you core out of the stopper. On the 18G scale a larger number is a finer needle, so an 18G drawing needle is coarse enough to draw quickly and coarse enough to cut a visible plug from the stopper. If you are drawing 5 units at a time, the dead space matters more than the bore: a fixed-needle barrel loses microlitres, a luer hub loses tens of them, and at 20 mg/mL each microlitre is 20 µg.

Answer first: use the largest bore you tolerate for drawing and the smallest for injecting, because the two operations have opposite requirements.

Very fine needles are more prone to bending and to blocking with any particulate, which is a practical argument for inspecting the solution before drawing.

To be exact about it, a 30G or 31G needle through a butyl stopper leaves a track that reseals, which is why fine-gauge repeated entry is tolerable and coarse-gauge repeated entry is not.

The Hagen–Poiseuille relation gives flow proportional to the fourth power of radius, which is the quantitative basis for every gauge recommendation here.

The caveat is that no gauge choice makes a non-sterile preparation safe, and research-use compounds are not approved for human use.

Flow goes as the fourth power of radius. That is why the difference feels so large.

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5Minor: the filter membrane chemistry matters as much as the pore size for adsorption. – esther_vandeVelde 8 months ago
4Small correction: the units in the third paragraph should be micrograms, not milligrams. – Dr_Ilse_Vandenberg 6 months ago
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The honest answer is that injection gauge is a comfort decision and drawing gauge is a stopper-coring decision.

Stopper coring — punching a disc of rubber into the solution — is a large-bore phenomenon. An 18G or 21G needle inserted straight and fast is the classic way to do it; inserting at a slight angle with the bevel up reduces the risk.

For injecting, 29G to 31G is the usual range and the difference in perceived discomfort between them is small. Needle length matters more than gauge for comfort at these volumes.

Coring risk as a function of needle gauge and insertion technique is documented in pharmacy compounding guidance.

Length affects comfort more than gauge does at these volumes.

edited 27 Jun 2024 by stopper_core — tightened the wording; no substantive change

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answeredstopper_core28k12717 Jun 2024
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Start with the fact that gauge numbers run backwards — a higher number is a thinner needle — which is the source of half the confusion in this tag.

Typical outer diameters: 21G is about 0.82 mm, 23G about 0.64 mm, 25G about 0.51 mm, 29G about 0.34 mm and 31G about 0.26 mm. The gauge number and the diameter move in opposite directions.

The part that matters: fixed-needle insulin syringes are supplied in 29G to 31G and cannot be swapped for drawing, which is the trade-off against their much lower dead space.

Higher gauge is not automatically better; it is thinner, which has costs as well as benefits.

Big to draw, small to inject, never the same one twice.

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answeredlyoph_cake78k26710 Jul 2024
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Stated carefully, coring the stopper with a large-bore needle is the risk at the drawing end, and it is real.

Flow through a needle scales with the fourth power of the internal radius under the Hagen–Poiseuille relation. Halving the radius reduces flow sixteen-fold at the same pressure, which is why a 31G needle draws so much more slowly than a 21G.

Needle gauge to outer diameter correspondence is standardised and published; the inverse relationship between gauge number and diameter is the reason for the counter-intuitive labelling.

Angle the bevel and insert gently to avoid coring the stopper.

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answeredrota_site36k2729 Jun 2024
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The short version: 21G to 23G to draw, 29G to 31G to inject, and never the same needle for both.

Drawing a viscous or foamy solution through a fine needle takes long enough that people rush the plunger, which causes more foaming. Using a wider drawing needle is the fix.

Butyl rubber closures are specified for resealing after piercing up to a stated gauge, which is the basis for the fine-gauge repeated-entry practice.

Gauge numbers run backwards. Higher number, thinner needle.

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answeredkofi_mensah18k271 Sept 2024

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