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How do I hit a protein target when appetite suppression is severe?

Asked 16 Jan 2025Modified 15 months agoViewed 12k times
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I would like to know what to measure as much as what to do.

I am trying to do this correctly the first time rather than learn it by getting it wrong.

I have already made one mistake here that cost me a vial, so I am being deliberately careful.

What does a defensible version of this look like in practice?

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askedunit_math13k1816 Jan 2025

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The distinction that resolves this is between proportional loss and functional loss. Losing lean mass in proportion to total mass is what happens in every weight loss intervention. Losing function is not, and function is measurable.

DEXA precision is better than people assume for fat mass and worse than people assume for lean mass in a single scan — the least significant change for regional lean mass on a well-maintained scanner is on the order of a few per cent. That means two scans three months apart can differ without anything having happened, and it means a scan sequence needs to be at least three points before a trend is interpretable.

Protein target arithmetic

Body mass1.2 g/kg1.6 g/kg2.0 g/kgPer meal at 1.6 (÷3)
62 kg74 g99 g124 g33 g
74 kg89 g118 g148 g39 g
88 kg106 g141 g176 g47 g
103 kg124 g165 g206 g55 g
124 kg149 g198 g248 g66 g

At roughly 4 kcal per gram, 141 g of protein is about 564 kcal — a substantial fraction of a 900 kcal budget, which is the real constraint.

The underlying point is that hydration state moves a DEXA lean-mass figure directly, because the algorithm assigns water to the lean compartment. Scanning fasted, at the same time of day, before training and without a recent high-carbohydrate day is the difference between a comparable sequence and a noisy one. Bioelectrical impedance is far more sensitive to hydration again, which is why its trend is unusable at this timescale.

The evidence for a higher protein intake preserving lean mass during an energy deficit is reasonably strong in resistance-trained populations and weaker in sedentary ones, with the meta-analytic estimates supporting intakes in the region of 1.6 g/kg over lower intakes when training is present[1].

Worth stating that a DEXA sequence is only as good as its protocol consistency, and most people’s sequences are not consistent enough to support the conclusions drawn from them.

The plateau is arithmetic. Treat it as arithmetic and the response follows.

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answeredDr_Ingrid_Baumgartner39k3810 May 2025
2This is the answer I was looking for three months ago. – triple_agonist_q 6 months ago
The arithmetic checks out. I ran the same numbers and got the same result. – gel_pack_warm 4 months ago
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It helps to be literal here: the mechanism is worth having straight, because it predicts which interventions can work and which cannot.

The minimum effective resistance-training dose in a deficit is lower than most programmes assume. Two sessions a week covering the major movement patterns, with loads taken close to failure, is sufficient to retain most of what would otherwise be lost. Volume beyond that adds recovery cost that a large energy deficit is poorly placed to pay.

The first four weeks of loss is substantially fluid and glycogen. Each gram of stored glycogen carries roughly three grams of water, and total glycogen is on the order of 400 to 500 g, so the obligatory water shift alone accounts for a couple of kilograms. This is why the first month looks dramatic and the second looks like a plateau when in fact the fat-loss rate has not changed.

The limitation of the arithmetic is that it assumes intake is being measured accurately, and self-reported intake is systematically underestimated by a substantial margin.

Train, eat the protein, measure something functional, and give the trend three months before you interpret it.

edited 11 Feb 2025 by Dr_Marek_Zielinski — corrected a unit error in the worked example

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answeredDr_Marek_Zielinski39k3821 Jan 2025
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To be exact about it, what the data supports is narrower than what gets recommended, so it is worth separating the two.

Fibre at very low total intake is a trap. Soluble fibre needs water and motility to work; insoluble fibre adds bulk to a slow transit. At 900 kcal a day with delayed gastric emptying, an osmotic agent is more predictable than a bulking one, and adequate fluid is doing more work than either.

Mechanically, food noise returning is not obviously tolerance. Receptor desensitisation is one hypothesis; a second is that the initial effect was partly novelty and partly the steep early deficit, and a third is that intake has drifted upward and the signal is being outcompeted rather than weakened. The three make different predictions about what a dose increase would do.

One qualification: none of this is a clinical assessment, and unexplained loss of function rather than of mass is a reason to see someone rather than to adjust a programme.

Measure strength as well as mass. It is cheaper, it is less noisy, and it is closer to what you actually care about.

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answeredmarta_okonkwo87k25818 Apr 2025
7Does this hold at lower concentrations, or does adsorption dominate? – ten_mg_vial 6 months ago
6Worth flagging that this changed in 2025, so older answers on the site are out of date. – Dr_Nadia_Farsi 4 months ago
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