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What happens to survodutide after twelve weeks at 25 °C in solution?

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Concretely: survodutide · twelve weeks · 25 °C.

This is one of those things that everyone repeats and nobody derives.

This matters practically, not just academically, because it changes what I would do next.

Is the standard explanation correct, and if so, what is the evidence for it?

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askednet_peptide12k152 Sept 2024

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twelve weeks is 84 days, which at 25 °C is on the order of 336 refrigerated days. 25 °C is 20 kelvin above the 5 °C middle of a 2–8 °C refrigerator. The ten-degree rule of thumb — degradation rate roughly doubling per 10 K — makes that about 4 times the refrigerated rate, which is an order-of-magnitude statement and not a shelf life. In solution the routes that matter are hydrolysis of the backbone, deamidation at Asn, and physical association — the first two cost content, the third costs neither until it precipitates. Over 84 days at 25 °C you should expect all three to have moved, and a purity figure to have noticed only some of them. Reconstituted material has no certificate; the one in the box describes the powder.

The relevant point is that a mass shift of plus one dalton is deamidation and plus sixteen is oxidation, so degradation is often visible in a mass spectrum if anyone looks.

Adsorption onto glass and plastic is significant at low concentrations — micrograms per millilitre — and negligible at milligrams per millilitre. It is the usual explanation for an apparent loss in a dilute preparation.

Reported and extrapolated stability by condition

StateConditionUsable windowBasis
Lyophilised solid−20 °C, sealed, dry24–36 monthsSupplier guidance
Lyophilised solid2–8 °C, sealed12–24 monthsSupplier guidance
Lyophilised solid25 °C, sealed4–8 weeksExtrapolated (Arrhenius)
Lyophilised solid40 °C, sealed1–2 weeksExtrapolated
Solution, preserved2–8 °C28 daysUSP microbiological convention
Solution, preserved25 °C3–7 daysExtrapolated
Solution, unpreserved2–8 °C24 hoursUSP microbiological convention

Windows for the solid state are chemical; windows for solution are microbiological and usually shorter than the chemical limit.

Light exposure matters for tryptophan-containing sequences and for anything with a chromophore. Amber vials and a closed box are free mitigations.

Adsorption losses at low concentrations are quantified in formulation studies and are the reason carrier proteins are used in dilute preparations.

Nothing here is medical advice, and research-use compounds are not approved for human use.

A mass spectrum names the pathway. Plus one, plus sixteen, minus eighteen.

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answered · acceptedhalvard_ness69k4714 Dec 2024
4Worth adding that residual moisture predicts this better than any printed date. – lipid_panel_q 7 months ago
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Answering this needs the physical state, since a dry powder is protected from most of these and a solution is protected from none.

Aggregation is physical: peptides unfold at air-liquid interfaces and associate. Shaking maximises that interface, which is why swirling and shaking produce visibly different outcomes on the same vial.

Freeze-thaw cycling drives aggregation through concentration at the ice interface and pH shifts as buffer components crystallise out at different rates. Each cycle costs something.

Apparent loss in a dilute preparation is usually adsorption rather than degradation and is worth ruling out first.

Cold, dry, dark, still. Those four words cover most of the mitigation.

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answeredten_mg_vial31k1383 Dec 2024
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Answer first: the degradation pathways worth knowing are hydrolysis, deamidation, oxidation, aggregation and adsorption, and each has a different trigger and a different mitigation.

Oxidation targets methionine, cysteine and tryptophan, adding sixteen daltons per oxygen. It is catalysed by trace metals and promoted by dissolved oxygen and by light.

A mass spectrum resolves most of this: minus eighteen is dehydration or succinimide, plus one is deamidation, plus sixteen is oxidation, and an unchanged mass with a shifted retention time is an isomer.

Deamidation via the succinimide intermediate is well characterised, with sequence-dependent rates highest for asparagine-glycine motifs.

Swirl, never shake. Aggregation is a handling problem more than a time problem.

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answeredpierce_count24k3810 Nov 2024
2Same experience here, different supplier. – petra_hovland 7 months ago
The doubling-per-ten-degrees rule is the part I did not know and now use constantly. – s_kalniete 5 months ago
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The underlying point is that this is answerable from the chemistry rather than from anecdote, which is unusual and welcome.

Hydrolysis cleaves the backbone, most readily at aspartate-proline and aspartate-glycine sequences, and is acid-catalysed. In a dry solid it barely proceeds at all.

Metal-catalysed oxidation of methionine is documented across peptide and protein formulations and is why chelators appear in some formulations.

Sequence determines which pathways apply, so general statements are general.

At dilute concentrations, suspect adsorption before you suspect chemistry.

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answeredorla_sheridan18k2722 Nov 2024
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Start with the sequence, because which pathways are available depends on which residues are present.

Deamidation converts asparagine or glutamine to the corresponding acid via a succinimide intermediate, adding one dalton. It is base-catalysed, accelerates above neutral pH and is the dominant aqueous pathway for many peptides.

Aggregation at air-liquid interfaces is established from surface-tension and particle-count studies and is the basis for anti-agitation handling guidance.

The caveat is that none of these pathways can be seen by looking at a vial, and a clear solution can be substantially degraded.

Sequence decides which pathways are even available. Check the residues.

edited 3 Nov 2024 by forty_two_c — fixed an arithmetic slip in the third paragraph

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answeredforty_two_c66k5819 Oct 2024
3Adding a vote because this deserves more of them. – lyoph_cake 8 months ago
2Two lots stored differently, reassayed at a year — the difference was smaller than I expected. – w_okoye 6 months ago
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