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What accept/reject threshold would you set for liraglutide before seeing the result?

Asked 10 Apr 2024Modified 2.0 years agoViewed 66k times
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I have the report as a PDF with the chromatogram on page two, so I can quote specifics.

I am at the decision point and I would rather think it through than improvise.

I would rather spend money on measurement than on redundancy.

How do I make this decision on evidence rather than on feel?

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askedsian_llewellyn85k24810 Apr 2024

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Batch testing establishes what can be claimed about the lot as a whole, and the sample size determines how much you can actually claim.

The statistical foundation here is well-established, which is why sampling plans from decades ago are still valid.

Mass shifts and what they usually mean

Δ mass (Da)Most likely causeDistinguishing feature
+1Deamidation (Asn or Gln)New peak, slightly earlier retention
−17Loss of ammoniaOften with deamidation
−18Dehydration / succinimidepH-dependent, reversible
+16Oxidation (Met, Trp)Earlier retention, light-related
−128Missing Gln or LysDeletion sequence from synthesis
0Isomer: racemisation or scramblingSame mass, shifted retention

To be exact about it, a statement that "lot 20260412 complies with specifications" is meaningless without stating which vials from the lot were tested and how many there were.

Sampling plans for pharmaceutical manufacturing are defined in ISO 2859 and ANSI Z1.4, and they are based on statistical sampling theory.

The practical summary: a lot number without a sampling statement is a lot number without meaning.

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answered · acceptedDr_Yusuf_Adeyemi95k24823 May 2024
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Stated carefully, sampling plans exist precisely because testing everything is expensive, and they define the statistical relationship between sample size and lot-wide inference.

Published segregation failures show that even modern automated processes sometimes produce lots with measurable vial-to-vial variation.

Specifically, testing a vial that has been open in the lab for three months is testing aged material, not the fresh lot, and the result should be explicitly noted as a retest.

Lyophilised peptide homogeneity studies show that vial-to-vial variation is usually small but occasionally large, depending on the distribution in the freeze-dryer.

If testing multiple vials, state how many you tested and why you chose those vials.

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answeredDr_Aoife_Brennan50k4812 May 2024
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A certificate that reports one test result on one vial extrapolates to claim that all two hundred vials in the lot are identical, which is an assumption worth questioning.

If the entire lot failed qualification, a retest on a different vial is sometimes done, but reporting a retest result under the same lot number is misleading.

If you have reason to suspect inhomogeneity — different appearance in different vials, or a long or warm shipment — testing more vials is the diagnostic move.

Published data on lot homogeneity from manufacturers who sample multiple vials consistently find variation below the published specifications, suggesting the sampling plans work.

Assume segregation is possible, and design your sampling to catch it if it exists.

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answeredrota_site55k387 Aug 2024
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Most suppliers test one vial per lot and report the result as lot homogeneity, which is sampling one item from one lot and extrapolating wildly.

Acceptance Sampling by Attributes defines the number of samples you need from a lot to claim a specified quality level at a specified risk — it is in ANSI standard Z1.4.

The caveat is that sampling is a trade-off between cost and confidence, and neither test nor assumption is cost-free.

The practical summary: a lot number without a sampling statement is a lot number without meaning.

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answeredstopper_core50k1381 May 2024
3Adding for future readers: the certificate should carry the lot number, not just a batch code. – t_oyelaran 29 days ago
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Start from the question: how many vials from this lot do I need to test to claim that the lot meets specification, and the answer depends on both the lot size and the acceptable risk.

For a quantitative result like content, the acceptable range determines how many vials you need to test to establish the lot complies.

One qualification: testing more vials gives better confidence, but at some point the cost outweighs the benefit.

If testing multiple vials, state how many you tested and why you chose those vials.

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answeredloss_on_drying47k13820 Apr 2024
6Confirming from the other direction: I did the wrong thing and got exactly the predicted outcome. – k_szabo 10 months ago
7Is there a reason to prefer the second method over the first, other than cost? – tobias_maartens 2 months ago
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