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SELECT reported HR 0.80 for MACE. What does that actually license me to conclude?

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I keep seeing SELECT summarised as "semaglutide cuts heart attacks and strokes by 20%". I understand that 20% comes from the hazard ratio of 0.80, and I understand that a hazard ratio is a relative measure, so the 20% is relative to the placebo event rate rather than an absolute 20 percentage points. What I do not have a feel for is what the trial genuinely established versus what is being read into it.

Things I am unsure about, specifically:

  • The primary endpoint was a three-part composite. If one component drives the whole result, is it honest to describe the drug as reducing all three?
  • The confidence interval was roughly 0.72 to 0.90. Does the fact that it excludes 1.00 tell me the effect is at least 10%, or is that a misreading of what a confidence interval is?
  • Several secondary endpoints had intervals that crossed 1.00. I have read those described both as "no effect" and as "underpowered", which cannot both be the default reading.

I would rather understand the inference properly than memorise a number. What claims does this trial support, and what claims are people making that it does not?

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askedsinead_gaffney14k2827 Aug 2024
7The composite-component question is the right one to lead with - the three components did not move together. – s_bhattacharya 8 months ago
6Worth stating up front that SELECT enrolled people with established cardiovascular disease and no diabetes, which bounds every conclusion. – aine_mulcahy 6 months ago
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Take the claims one at a time, because the trial supports some of them strongly and others not at all.

What SELECT was

17,604 adults with overweight or obesity, established cardiovascular disease, and no diabetes, randomised to semaglutide 2.4 mg weekly or placebo, mean follow-up about 39.8 months. Primary composite of cardiovascular death, non-fatal myocardial infarction or non-fatal stroke: 6.5% versus 8.0%, hazard ratio 0.80, 95% CI 0.72 to 0.90 [1].

Every conclusion is bounded by that population. The trial says nothing about primary prevention in people without established cardiovascular disease, and it deliberately excluded diabetes so that the result could not be attributed to glycaemic effects.

The composite

Your instinct is correct and it is the most important caveat. The components did not move together. Non-fatal myocardial infarction showed the clearest reduction, with a hazard ratio around 0.72 and an interval comfortably below 1.00. Non-fatal stroke was essentially flat, with a point estimate slightly above 1.00 and a wide interval. Cardiovascular death sat at roughly 0.85 with an upper bound touching or just crossing 1.00 [1].

So the defensible statement is: the composite was reduced, and the reduction was driven predominantly by myocardial infarction. "Reduces stroke" is not supported. Note that this is not a criticism of the trial - composites exist precisely because individual components are underpowered - but it does mean the headline should not be redistributed evenly across the three.

All-cause mortality was reduced, with a hazard ratio near 0.81 and an interval excluding 1.00. That is a strong and often under-quoted finding, though in a composite-driven trial a mortality signal should be read as supportive rather than independently confirmatory.

What the confidence interval means

Your suspicion is right: "the interval excludes 1.00, therefore the effect is at least 10%" is a misreading. A 95% confidence interval is the set of effect sizes not rejected at the 5% level by these data. It is not a probability distribution over the truth, and its lower bound is not a floor on the effect.

What you can say is that the data are compatible with hazard ratios spanning roughly 0.72 to 0.90, that the observed estimate is 0.80, and that 1.00 is not among the compatible values. What you cannot say is "there is a 95% chance the true reduction is between 10% and 28%". The honest translation is that the trial has established that some reduction occurred and has located it near 20% with meaningful uncertainty in both directions.

Crossing 1.00: "no effect" or "underpowered"?

Neither is a default. The distinction depends on the width of the interval relative to what would be clinically meaningful.

  • If an interval runs 0.95 to 1.06, the trial has genuinely excluded a large effect. Calling that "no meaningful effect" is fair.
  • If an interval runs 0.65 to 1.15, the trial has excluded nothing useful. Calling that "no effect" is wrong; it is uninformative.

The stroke interval in SELECT is nearer the second case than the first: it does not exclude a worthwhile benefit and it does not exclude a modest harm. The correct summary is "not established", which is a different claim from "shown not to work". This distinction is the single most abused thing in secondary coverage of outcome trials.

Claims the trial does support

  • In this population, semaglutide 2.4 mg reduced a composite of major adverse cardiovascular events over about three years.
  • The reduction was driven mainly by myocardial infarction.
  • All-cause mortality was lower.
  • The Kaplan-Meier curves separated early, well before most weight loss had accrued - which is evidence against a purely weight-mediated mechanism, though not proof.

Claims it does not support

  • Benefit in people without established cardiovascular disease.
  • Benefit specifically on stroke.
  • Any statement about a research-use-only compound of unverified identity or content. The trial tested a specific manufactured product at a specific dose under supervision, and nothing about its result transfers to material whose contents you have not had assayed.

edited 27 Nov 2024 by ravi_pillai — reworded for clarity after a comment

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answered · acceptedravi_pillai16k2826 Nov 2024
The "not established is not the same as shown not to work" line should be pinned somewhere permanent. – mg_per_ml 4 months ago
8The early curve separation is the most interesting part of the whole trial and it barely made the press coverage. – lyoph_cake 2 months ago
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Adding the arithmetic, because relative risk is where the intuition goes wrong and absolute numbers fix it.

SELECT event counts, approximately: 569 primary events among 8803 on semaglutide, 701 among 8801 on placebo.

Step by step

  • Semaglutide event rate: 569 / 8803 = 0.0646, or 6.46%.
  • Placebo event rate: 701 / 8801 = 0.0796, or 7.96%.
  • Absolute risk reduction: 7.96 - 6.46 = 1.50 percentage points.
  • Relative risk reduction: 1.50 / 7.96 = 0.188, or about 19% - which is where the "20%" comes from, and it agrees with the hazard ratio of 0.80 as it should.
  • Number needed to treat: 1 / 0.0150 = 66.7, so 67 people treated for the trial duration to prevent one primary event.

Now attach the time, because an NNT without a horizon is meaningless. Mean follow-up was about 39.8 months, call it 3.3 years. So the statement is: 67 people treated for 3.3 years to prevent one cardiovascular death, non-fatal MI or non-fatal stroke. Equivalently 67 x 3.3 = 221 patient-years of treatment per event prevented.

Two caveats on that arithmetic that matter if you plan to reuse the method:

  • Dividing crude counts by randomised totals gives a risk difference, but the hazard ratio came from a time-to-event model that handles censoring. The two agree closely here because follow-up was similar in both arms and event rates are low. In a trial with heavy differential dropout they can diverge, and then you should take the model-based numbers rather than doing this by hand.
  • NNT does not scale linearly with time. Extrapolating "67 over 3.3 years" to "20 over 10 years" assumes constant hazard and constant treatment effect, and in SELECT the curves were still diverging at the end of follow-up, so a linear extrapolation could be conservative or optimistic depending on whether that divergence continues.

For calibration against familiar therapy: statins in secondary prevention sit in a broadly similar NNT range over comparable horizons. That is the right comparison to have in mind - a real, worthwhile, unspectacular population-level effect, not a transformation of individual risk.

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answeredtess_amankwah48k3815 Nov 2024
5The reminder that NNT is meaningless without a time horizon needs saying every single time. – Dr_Tomas_Kral 39 days ago
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On the weight-mediation question, since it is the part of SELECT people argue about most and the trial gives partial answers.

Arguments that the benefit is not purely weight-mediated:

  • Curve separation began within the first few months, before much of the eventual mean weight loss of roughly 9 to 10% had accumulated [1].
  • The benefit was broadly consistent across baseline BMI strata, including the lowest stratum, where absolute weight loss was smallest.
  • Prespecified analyses reported benefit across categories of achieved weight change, including in participants who lost relatively little [2].
  • Effects on inflammatory markers, blood pressure and lipids appear earlier and larger than weight change alone would predict.

Arguments for caution before concluding a direct vascular effect:

  • Subgroup consistency across achieved weight loss is a post-randomisation stratification. Achieved weight loss is not randomised, so comparing across those categories is observational and open to confounding by adherence and by whatever makes a person a poor responder.
  • Early separation is compatible with early haemodynamic and metabolic changes that are themselves consequences of reduced intake, not only of fat mass.
  • Formal mediation analysis in this setting depends on modelling assumptions that are not testable within the trial.

The parallel evidence from SUSTAIN-6, where semaglutide at glycaemic doses of 0.5 and 1.0 mg reduced MACE with a hazard ratio of 0.74, 95% CI 0.58 to 0.95, at weight losses far smaller than SELECT's, is probably the strongest single argument that weight is not the whole story [3]. It is also worth remembering SUSTAIN-6 was designed as a non-inferiority safety trial, so its superiority finding is a bonus rather than a confirmatory result, and its retinopathy-complication signal with a hazard ratio near 1.76, 95% CI 1.11 to 2.78, is part of the same dataset and should not be quietly dropped when the trial is cited approvingly.

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