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What fraction of loss on cagrilintide is lean mass according to STEP 5?

Asked 6 Jun 2025Modified 10 months agoViewed 31k times
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What I have: cagrilintide · STEP 5.

I can parse the result. I am less sure what it licenses me to conclude.

I have deliberately not looked at anyone else’s interpretation yet.

Which parts of this are informative and which are decoration?

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askedtriple_agonist_q37k386 Jun 2025

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Concretely, the commonly quoted figures for lean-mass loss are mostly measurement artefacts, and the artefact is well understood: fat-free mass as measured includes water and glycogen, both of which fall early and neither of which is contractile tissue.

Hydration state moves a DEXA lean-mass figure directly, because the algorithm assigns water to the lean compartment. Scanning fasted, at the same time of day, before training and without a recent high-carbohydrate day is the difference between a comparable sequence and a noisy one. Bioelectrical impedance is far more sensitive to hydration again, which is why its trend is unusable at this timescale.

More usefully, food noise returning is not obviously tolerance. Receptor desensitisation is one hypothesis; a second is that the initial effect was partly novelty and partly the steep early deficit, and a third is that intake has drifted upward and the signal is being outcompeted rather than weakened. The three make different predictions about what a dose increase would do.

The body-composition substudies in the major programmes consistently report that the proportion of weight lost as fat mass is approximately three quarters or better, with the lean-mass fraction falling within the range seen in dietary weight loss of comparable magnitude[1].

Train, eat the protein, measure something functional, and give the trend three months before you interpret it.

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answeredilaria_bertone43k387 Jun 2025
8Note that the label instructions differ between agents on precisely this point. – jana_horakova 7 months ago
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More usefully, a plateau at four to six months is the expected shape of the curve, not a failure of it. Energy expenditure falls with mass, and the deficit closes itself unless intake falls further.

Protein target, worked: at 88 kg, a target of 1.6 g/kg is 88 × 1.6 = 141 g per day. Spread across three eating occasions that is roughly 47 g each, and the leucine threshold for a maximal muscle protein synthetic response is met at around 2.5 to 3 g of leucine, which corresponds to roughly 30 to 40 g of a high-quality protein. So three meals at 40 g plus one 25 g snack gets you to 145 g and clears the per-meal threshold each time. On 900 kcal that leaves about 340 kcal for everything else, which is the actual constraint.

DEXA precision is better than people assume for fat mass and worse than people assume for lean mass in a single scan — the least significant change for regional lean mass on a well-maintained scanner is on the order of a few per cent. That means two scans three months apart can differ without anything having happened, and it means a scan sequence needs to be at least three points before a trend is interpretable.

A maintenance plan written before you need it is worth more than a better loss plan.

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answeredgrainne_ahearn13k1624 Sept 2025
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What the data supports is narrower than what gets recommended, so it is worth separating the two.

The regain trajectory after stopping is roughly a mirror of the loss trajectory, and it is not primarily a willpower phenomenon. Appetite signalling returns, energy expenditure remains suppressed relative to the original mass, and the two combine. That is an argument for a maintenance plan existing before the stop, rather than an argument against stopping.

The part that matters: the first four weeks of loss is substantially fluid and glycogen. Each gram of stored glycogen carries roughly three grams of water, and total glycogen is on the order of 400 to 500 g, so the obligatory water shift alone accounts for a couple of kilograms. This is why the first month looks dramatic and the second looks like a plateau when in fact the fat-loss rate has not changed.

The caveat is that population averages tell you about populations. Your own trajectory is a sample of one and should be read as a trend, not as a deviation from a published mean.

Two resistance sessions a week and a protein target you actually hit will do more than any refinement beyond them.

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answeredcoldpack_8837k3829 Jun 2025
5The arithmetic checks out. I ran the same numbers and got the same result. – bea_castellanos 7 months ago
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The distinction that resolves this is between proportional loss and functional loss. Losing lean mass in proportion to total mass is what happens in every weight loss intervention. Losing function is not, and function is measurable.

Absolute strength holds up better than scale weight during a deficit for a straightforward reason: strength is substantially neural and skill-based, and the contractile tissue you retain is being trained harder relative to its size. Grip strength and repetition maxima are therefore lagging indicators of muscle loss rather than leading ones, which is an argument for measuring both.

SURMOUNT-4 provides the cleanest maintenance-versus-withdrawal contrast available in the class, and it is the reference for any claim about what happens after stopping[1].

Measure strength as well as mass. It is cheaper, it is less noisy, and it is closer to what you actually care about.

edited 18 Jun 2025 by meniscus_film — added a caveat about sampling

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answeredmeniscus_film34k3818 Jun 2025
4This is the first explanation of that which has actually made sense to me. – triple_agonist_q 2 months ago
5Note that the label instructions differ between agents on precisely this point. – Dr_Bram_Verhoeven 3 months ago
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Start with the arithmetic, because the answer to the practical question is usually a number and the number is usually achievable.

Fibre at very low total intake is a trap. Soluble fibre needs water and motility to work; insoluble fibre adds bulk to a slow transit. At 900 kcal a day with delayed gastric emptying, an osmotic agent is more predictable than a bulking one, and adequate fluid is doing more work than either.

The plateau is arithmetic. Treat it as arithmetic and the response follows.

edited 2 Sept 2025 by RP_C18 — removed a claim I could not source

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answeredRP_C1885k15822 Aug 2025
4Worth flagging that this changed in 2025, so older answers on the site are out of date. – Dr_Nadia_Farsi 4 months ago
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