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What does REDEFINE-1 tell me about hair thinning at the 2.4 mg dose?

Asked 24 Apr 2024Modified 2.0 years agoViewed 10k times
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What I have: REDEFINE-1 · hair thinning · 2.4 mg.

I can parse the result. I am less sure what it licenses me to conclude.

I have deliberately not looked at anyone else’s interpretation yet.

Which parts of this are informative and which are decoration?

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askedruaidhri_o_shea25k2724 Apr 2024

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Only what the 2.4 mg arm reported, and the denominator is that arm rather than the trial. Adverse-event tables are published per arm, so the 2.4 mg incidence of hair thinning has its own numerator and its own denominator, and pooling it with the other arms produces a figure that describes nobody. Two further deductions before you use it. Subtract the placebo arm — hair thinning occurs in people who received nothing, and the difference is the part attributable to the drug. And check whether REDEFINE-1 counted events or counted participants: one participant with six episodes is one row in a participant count and six in an event count, and the two get quoted interchangeably. Nothing here is medical advice.

Answer first: read the primary endpoint, the comparator and the population before you read the effect size. Almost every argument on this site about a trial is really an argument about one of those three.

Confidence intervals matter more than point estimates when two trials disagree. Two studies reporting fifteen and twenty per cent whose intervals overlap heavily have not disagreed about anything.

Non-inferiority and superiority designs are not interchangeable. A non-inferiority result says the new agent is not meaningfully worse against a pre-specified margin — it does not say it is as good, and it certainly does not say it is better.

Registry entries at ClinicalTrials.gov carry the pre-specified primary endpoint with a timestamp, which is the cheapest available check on whether an endpoint was changed after the data were seen.

Be careful about generalising from a trial population to yourself. The exclusion criteria are usually the most informative page in the supplement.

Read the protocol and the statistical analysis plan if the result matters to you. Both are usually published alongside.

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answeredDr_Priya_Raghunathan49k13711 Jul 2024
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On the detail: the trial answers a narrower question than the headline suggests, and the narrowing is where the useful information is.

Duration decides what can be seen. A 68-week trial can measure weight and glycaemia; it cannot measure anything whose event rate is one per cent per year without enrolling tens of thousands.

Placebo arms in this class are not nothing. Lifestyle-intervention placebo arms in the major obesity trials commonly lose two to three per cent of body weight, so an active-arm figure quoted without its comparator overstates the drug effect by roughly that much.

Where a result is quoted from a conference abstract rather than a peer-reviewed publication, the numbers routinely move between the two. It is worth checking which one you are reading.

The short version: check the endpoint, check the comparator, check who was excluded, then look at the number.

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answeredesther_vandeVelde52k2730 Jun 2024
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This is answerable from the published record, but only if you take the placebo arm seriously rather than reading the active arm alone.

Trial populations are selected. Exclusion criteria in this class routinely remove people with significant renal impairment, prior pancreatitis and unstable psychiatric illness, which is exactly the population the results are then quoted for.

A composite endpoint is only as informative as its least serious component. Where a cardiovascular composite combines death, infarction and stroke, ask which component moved, because they are not interchangeable outcomes.

If a claim cannot be traced to a named trial with a named endpoint, treat it as a claim rather than as evidence.

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answeredrhian_prydderch23k272 Aug 2024
2Good answer, but the confidence interval in the cited trial is wider than implied. – tri_gly_ala 24 days ago
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The short version: the effect is real, the magnitude depends on the population, and the population is usually the part that gets dropped when a result is quoted second-hand.

Intention-to-treat and per-protocol analyses answer different questions. ITT asks what happens if you offer the treatment; per-protocol asks what happens if it is taken as directed. The gap between the two is a measure of how tolerable the protocol was.

The cardiovascular outcome programme in this class runs to several large randomised trials — LEADER for liraglutide, SUSTAIN-6 and SELECT for semaglutide, REWIND for dulaglutide — and they are the reason the class is discussed as more than a weight intervention.

One qualification: absence of a signal in a trial of this size is not evidence of absence for a rare event. It is evidence that the event is rarer than the trial could detect.

Quote the interval alongside the estimate and half the disagreements on this site would not start.

edited 13 Aug 2024 by Dr_Ilse_Vandenberg — fixed an arithmetic slip in the third paragraph

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answeredDr_Ilse_Vandenberg113k24822 Jul 2024
Thank you — this is the answer I was looking for. – Dr_Bram_Verhoeven 5 months ago
2Adding a vote because this deserves more of them. – swab_and_wait 7 months ago
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Start with what the trial was powered for. Everything else in the publication is secondary, exploratory, or a subgroup, and those three words mean three different things.

Open-label extensions are not the same evidence as the randomised phase. Once everyone knows what they are taking, the reported outcomes acquire a bias that no analysis fully removes.

When two sources disagree, the answer is almost always in the methods section of the one you have not read.

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answeredravi_pillai12k1728 May 2024
6Do you have a reference for the last claim? Not disputing it, just want to read it. – Dr_Tomas_Kral 2 months ago
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