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What did the placebo arm of STEP 3 report for hair thinning?

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For reference: STEP 3 · hair thinning.

I want to understand what this actually establishes, as opposed to what it is being used to imply.

My concern is that I am being invited to draw a conclusion the data does not support.

Which parts of this are informative and which are decoration?

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askedzainab_mustafa21k2712 Aug 2024
7Do you have the population it was measured in? The figure moves a lot between them. – RP_C18 9 months ago
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The STEP 3 placebo arm is the only thing that makes its treatment arm interpretable, and it is the row nobody quotes. Symptoms reported under placebo in these programmes are not rare, because the population is being asked about them weekly and would have had some of them regardless. The attributable figure is the treated rate minus the placebo rate, and that difference is routinely a fraction of the headline. Two cautions on the subtraction: the arms must have been assessed the same way, and a discontinuation for an event removes that participant from later time points in both arms, which flatters whichever arm loses more people.

Start with what the trial was powered for. Everything else in the publication is secondary, exploratory, or a subgroup, and those three words mean three different things.

Trial populations are selected. Exclusion criteria in this class routinely remove people with significant renal impairment, prior pancreatitis and unstable psychiatric illness, which is exactly the population the results are then quoted for.

Confidence intervals matter more than point estimates when two trials disagree. Two studies reporting fifteen and twenty per cent whose intervals overlap heavily have not disagreed about anything.

The cardiovascular outcome programme in this class runs to several large randomised trials — LEADER for liraglutide, SUSTAIN-6 and SELECT for semaglutide, REWIND for dulaglutide — and they are the reason the class is discussed as more than a weight intervention.

Be careful about generalising from a trial population to yourself. The exclusion criteria are usually the most informative page in the supplement.

Read the protocol and the statistical analysis plan if the result matters to you. Both are usually published alongside.

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answered · acceptedteodora_ilic17k2714 Aug 2024
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Before comparing two trials, check whether they share an endpoint definition. Frequently they do not, and the numbers then are not comparable in any sense.

Placebo arms in this class are not nothing. Lifestyle-intervention placebo arms in the major obesity trials commonly lose two to three per cent of body weight, so an active-arm figure quoted without its comparator overstates the drug effect by roughly that much.

Open-label extensions are not the same evidence as the randomised phase. Once everyone knows what they are taking, the reported outcomes acquire a bias that no analysis fully removes.

I am not a clinician and this is not medical advice; it is a reading of a published protocol.

Quote the interval alongside the estimate and half the disagreements on this site would not start.

edited 7 Sept 2024 by Dr_Jonas_Halvorsen — reworded for clarity after a comment

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answeredDr_Jonas_Halvorsen28k3725 Aug 2024
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Answer first: read the primary endpoint, the comparator and the population before you read the effect size. Almost every argument on this site about a trial is really an argument about one of those three.

Intention-to-treat and per-protocol analyses answer different questions. ITT asks what happens if you offer the treatment; per-protocol asks what happens if it is taken as directed. The gap between the two is a measure of how tolerable the protocol was.

The relevant detail is that duration decides what can be seen. A 68-week trial can measure weight and glycaemia; it cannot measure anything whose event rate is one per cent per year without enrolling tens of thousands.

Meta-analyses in this area are dominated by whichever trial contributed the most participants, so read the forest plot rather than the summary estimate.

If a claim cannot be traced to a named trial with a named endpoint, treat it as a claim rather than as evidence.

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answeredDr_Colm_Fitzhenry69k2471 Dec 2024
6Thank you — this is the answer I was looking for. – plate_count_9k 44 days ago
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Look at the discontinuation rate alongside the efficacy figure. A large effect in the two thirds who stayed is a different result from a large effect in everyone.

A composite endpoint is only as informative as its least serious component. Where a cardiovascular composite combines death, infarction and stroke, ask which component moved, because they are not interchangeable outcomes.

Registry entries at ClinicalTrials.gov carry the pre-specified primary endpoint with a timestamp, which is the cheapest available check on whether an endpoint was changed after the data were seen.

The short version: check the endpoint, check the comparator, check who was excluded, then look at the number.

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answeredcal_hennessy17k2720 Nov 2024
3Same experience here, different supplier. – siobhan_deasy 5 months ago
2Minor: the trial name is hyphenated in the original publication. – plate_count_9k 4 months ago
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The honest answer here is that the published evidence supports part of the claim and is silent on the rest, and it is worth being precise about which part is which.

Non-inferiority and superiority designs are not interchangeable. A non-inferiority result says the new agent is not meaningfully worse against a pre-specified margin — it does not say it is as good, and it certainly does not say it is better.

Where a result is quoted from a conference abstract rather than a peer-reviewed publication, the numbers routinely move between the two. It is worth checking which one you are reading.

The caveat is that trial evidence is about licensed product administered under supervision. None of it transfers automatically to research-grade material of unverified content.

When two sources disagree, the answer is almost always in the methods section of the one you have not read.

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answeredDr_Rosalind_Achebe69k1479 Oct 2024
6Adding that the endpoint definition differs between the two trials being compared here. – Dr_Nadia_Farsi 7 months ago
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Ask PeptideStack is a static archive. Posting is closed, but the norms are worth stating: answer the question that was asked, show your working, cite the trial or the certificate, and say plainly where the evidence runs out.

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