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Is STEP 5 a fair comparison of ecnoglutide against its comparator arm?

Asked 19 Mar 2026Modified 43 days agoViewed 4.1k times
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For reference: STEP 5 · ecnoglutide.

Somebody stated this to me confidently and I would like to check it before repeating it.

I would accept a well-reasoned negative answer over a poorly sourced positive one.

What would count as evidence here, and does it exist?

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askedlinnea_wahlberg14k1819 Mar 2026
4Is there a reason to prefer the second method over the first, other than cost? – Dr_Malik_Osei 4 months ago
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Start with the population. The inclusion criteria of the trial determine what its result can be extrapolated to, and the extrapolation people want is usually to a population the trial excluded.

Creatinine is a muscle-derived metabolite, so a substantial loss of lean mass lowers serum creatinine and mathematically raises estimated GFR without anything happening to the kidney. If you have lost twenty kilograms, your creatinine-based eGFR is flattering you. Cystatin C is not muscle-dependent and is the measure to use when the two disagree.

The part that matters: the early fall in estimated glomerular filtration rate on treatment is haemodynamic rather than structural. Reduced intraglomerular pressure lowers the filtration rate acutely and preserves the glomerulus chronically — the same pattern seen with renin-angiotensin blockade and with SGLT2 inhibition. A dip of a few millilitres per minute in the first weeks, followed by a shallower long-term slope, is the desired trajectory, not a warning sign.

The limitation is that surrogate endpoints and hard endpoints have come apart before in metabolic medicine, so a favourable biomarker is a reason for optimism rather than a conclusion.

The papers are readable. Read the paper rather than the summary of the paper, especially where the summary is enthusiastic.

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answeredlyoph_cake95k25817 Jun 2026
8Any reason this would differ for a longer peptide? – dead_volume 8 months ago
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On the detail: this is a question about what the trial was designed to answer, and the honest response is that it was not designed to answer this.

The rodent thyroid C-cell findings that generated the labelled warning appear to be species-specific: rodent C-cells express GLP-1 receptors at high density, human C-cells at very low density, and human calcitonin data across large trial populations has not reproduced the signal. A family history of medullary thyroid carcinoma or MEN2 is nonetheless a genuine contraindication rather than a theoretical one.

Estimated average glucose from HbA1c: eAG in mg/dL = 28.7 × A1c − 46.7, or in mmol/L, 1.59 × A1c − 2.59. An A1c of 6.5 per cent is therefore about 140 mg/dL or 7.8 mmol/L. The relationship is a population regression, so an individual can sit well off the line.

One qualification: a trial that demonstrates an endpoint at a given dose has demonstrated it at that dose. Extrapolating the endpoint down the dose ladder is an assumption, not a finding.

Convert everything to an absolute effect before you compare two interventions. Relative effects are not comparable across different baseline risks.

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answeredw_okoye40k1386 Jun 2026
7I would add a sentence about sterility here, since it is the thing people skip. – juliette_farnese 8 months ago
6The placebo-arm figure is the part everyone omits. – stopper_core 6 months ago
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