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Is 5 mg weekly a defensible maintenance dose for tirzepatide?

Asked 14 Sept 2024Modified 18 months agoViewed 60k times
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Conditions: 5 mg · tirzepatide.

The failure mode I am trying to avoid is making this decision emotionally.

I have twelve months in view and I would like the plan to survive that long.

How would you structure this, and what thresholds would you set in advance?

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askedDr_Idris_Coulibaly33k13714 Sept 2024
6Add what "working" would look like for you — the answer depends on the target. – Dr_Ravi_Selvarajah 6 months ago
7Voting to keep this open — it is more specific than it first looks. – Dr_Rosalind_Achebe 8 months ago
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5 mg a week is 0.714 mg a day averaged out and 260 mg over a year — but "defensible" is not a property of the number, it is a property of where the number came from. A maintenance dose is defensible when a trial randomised people to it and reported what happened, and indefensible when it was arrived at by interpolation between two doses that were studied. So the question to ask of 5 mg is which arm it corresponds to: if a programme ran 5 mg as a maintenance level, there is an efficacy figure, a tolerability figure and a discontinuation rate attached to it. If it sits between two studied levels, everything said about it is extrapolation, and the burden of that is on whoever proposed it. The other half of the arithmetic is supply: at 5 mg a week a 10 mg vial is 2 weeks and you will need about 26 of them a year, which is worth knowing before the dose is settled rather than after. Maintenance doses are set by a prescriber against an individual; nothing here is medical advice.

Answering this needs the reason for the current dose, since a dose chosen for loss and a dose chosen for maintenance are different decisions.

The withdrawal trials — STEP-4 and SURMOUNT-4 — established what happens when treatment stops entirely. They did not evaluate dose reduction, so the evidence for a lower maintenance dose is inference rather than data.

Label titration ladders, structure only

AgentStartStep intervalMaintenance rangeMax studied
Semaglutide (weight management)0.25 mg/wk4 weeks1.7–2.4 mg/wk2.4 mg/wk
Semaglutide (T2DM)0.25 mg/wk4 weeks0.5–2.0 mg/wk2.0 mg/wk
Tirzepatide2.5 mg/wk4 weeks5–15 mg/wk15 mg/wk
Liraglutide (weight management)0.6 mg/day1 week3.0 mg/day3.0 mg/day
Oral semaglutide3 mg/day4 weeks7–14 mg/day50 mg/day (trial)

Structure is identical across the class: small start, four-week steps, a defined maintenance range, a defined ceiling.

Put another way, weight is a noisy signal. A rolling four-week average is the instrument; single weigh-ins after a dose reduction will show nothing interpretable.

Gastrointestinal adverse event rates in the trials are dose-related, which supports the tolerability argument for the lowest effective dose.

Nothing here is medical advice, and research-use compounds are not approved for human use.

Going back up after a short gap does not require re-titrating from the bottom.

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answered · acceptedtabular_nums71k4823 Sept 2024
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Answer first: the maintenance dose is the lowest one that holds the result, and finding it is a downward search rather than an upward one.

A downward search proceeds one step at a time with at least eight weeks at each level, because a weekly agent takes four to five weeks to reach the new steady state and then needs time for the trend to be readable.

If the result deteriorates on a lower dose, returning to the previous one is straightforward and does not require re-titration from the bottom provided the gap has been short.

Search downward, one step, eight weeks each, on a rolling average.

edited 29 Jan 2025 by Dr_Ilse_Vandenberg — fixed an arithmetic slip in the third paragraph

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answeredDr_Ilse_Vandenberg113k24810 Jan 2025
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The relevant observation is that maintenance frequently requires less exposure than the loss phase did, and the trials suggest it rather than establish it.

The maintenance dose is not necessarily the same a year later, since the counter-regulatory response attenuates slowly if at all.

Maintenance and loss are different endpoints. Loss requires a sustained energy deficit; maintenance requires only that the counter-regulatory drive is offset, and that may need less exposure.

STEP-4 and SURMOUNT-4 evaluated withdrawal rather than dose reduction, which is the limit of the direct evidence on this question.

The withdrawal trials answer stopping, not reducing. Different questions.

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answeredgrainne_ahearn50k3819 Dec 2024
Confirming that holding a step rather than escalating fixed this for me. – Dr_Colm_Fitzhenry 5 months ago
2The arithmetic on steady state is worth doing once and remembering. – fiadh_cronin 6 months ago
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It helps to be literal here: reducing the dose is not the same as stopping, and the withdrawal trials tell you about the second rather than the first.

Gastrointestinal tolerability generally improves on a reduced dose, which is a genuine quality-of-life argument for the search rather than only a cost one.

Glycaemic maintenance gives a faster signal than weight maintenance.

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answeredmarcus_thorbjorn9.4k1630 Dec 2024
8Stepping back down being normal rather than a failure is worth saying out loud. – Dr_Wren_Halliday 9 months ago
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Start with what is being maintained — weight, glycaemia or both — because they have different dose-response curves.

Glycaemic maintenance has a faster and cleaner signal than weight maintenance, particularly with continuous monitoring, which makes the downward search more tractable when glycaemia is the endpoint.

Dose-response for weight in the trial programmes was real but flattening at the upper end, which is consistent with a lower maintenance requirement.

Inference from the withdrawal trials to dose reduction is inference and should be labelled as such.

The lowest dose that holds the result is the answer, and it is individual.

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answeredDr_Aoife_Brennan20k2727 Oct 2024
7Adding for future readers: write down what "working" means before you start. – Dr_Marek_Zielinski 10 months ago
8Thank you — this is the answer I was looking for. – marta_okonkwo 42 days ago
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