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How many weeks to steady state for ecnoglutide on a weekly schedule?

Asked 30 Jun 2024Modified 22 months agoViewed 66k times
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The receptor pharmacology I can follow; the in vivo translation is where I lose the thread.

I want the working, not the result — I need to be able to redo it with different numbers.

I care about the precision as well as the value — I want to know how many figures are real.

Where is my error, and what is the correct working?

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askedliam_bracken6.9k1430 Jun 2024

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Start with the tissue distribution. Pancreatic islet, gastric, and several hypothalamic and brainstem populations — that list explains insulin secretion, gastric emptying and appetite in one go.

Albumin binding does the rest of the work. A fatty-acid chain attached through a linker binds circulating albumin reversibly, which both shields the peptide from renal clearance and creates a depot; that is how a two-minute hormone becomes a once-weekly drug.

Reconciling gross mass to label claim

ComponentTypical shareCounted in purity?Counted in content?
Target peptide88–94 %Yes, as main peakYes
Related impurities1–3 %Yes, as other peaksNo
Counter-ion (TFA or acetate)2–8 %NoNo
Residual water2–6 %NoNo
Bulking agent, if present0–40 %NoNo

Concretely, gastric emptying delay attenuates with continued exposure for long-acting agents through receptor desensitisation, which is why the early nausea usually settles while the appetite effect persists.

Structural work on the receptor by cryo-electron microscopy has resolved the agonist-bound active state and is the basis for current structure-guided design in this class.

Mechanism is a good guide to what to expect and a poor guide to how much.

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answered · acceptedesther_vandeVelde52k278 Sept 2024
Minor: that substitution is at position 8, not position 9, in the numbering used in the paper. – Dr_Lena_Ostrowska 4 months ago
Small correction: the oral and injectable milligrams are not comparable, as stated above. – deamidation_watch 5 months ago
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Specifically, the glucose-dependence is the key property. Below about four millimoles per litre the insulinotropic effect largely disappears, which is why monotherapy hypoglycaemia is uncommon.

Glucagon suppression is also glucose-dependent and is lost during hypoglycaemia, which preserves the counter-regulatory response — a genuinely elegant piece of physiology and the reason the class is safe in this respect.

Central effects reach the arcuate nucleus and the area postrema, regions with an incomplete blood-brain barrier. That anatomy is why a large peptide can act centrally at all, and it also explains the nausea, since the area postrema is the chemoreceptor trigger zone.

Area postrema involvement in nausea from this class is supported by lesion studies in animals and by the anatomy of the circumventricular organs.

Nausea and appetite share an anatomy, which is why they are hard to separate by dose.

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answeredorla_ferriter89k14820 Sept 2024
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This is answerable mechanistically, and the mechanism actually predicts the side-effect profile, which is unusual and worth exploiting when reasoning about it.

Glucose-dependence arises because the insulinotropic signal amplifies glucose-stimulated secretion rather than initiating secretion. With no glucose signal to amplify, there is little to amplify.

Receptor density and downstream coupling differ between tissues, so the dose-response curves for glycaemia, weight and nausea are not the same curve. That is the pharmacological basis for titration.

The incretin effect itself was established by comparing the insulin response to oral and intravenous glucose loads matched for plasma glucose; the difference is what the gut hormones contribute.

Tissue distribution first, then signalling. Nearly every question in this tag resolves at the first step.

edited 21 Aug 2024 by coldbox9 — expanded the table to cover the lower concentration

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answeredcoldbox941k13817 Aug 2024
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The honest answer is that appetite suppression is centrally mediated and gastric emptying is peripheral, and the two contribute different amounts in different people.

Biased agonism — differential recruitment of beta-arrestin versus G-protein signalling — is an active research area and is one hypothesis for why agents with similar receptor affinity have different tolerability.

A receptor being expressed in a tissue does not establish that activating it there matters at therapeutic exposures.

The half-life problem and the albumin-binding solution are the whole story of the class chemically.

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answeredolu_babatunde6.2k1426 Jul 2024
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The endogenous hormone is degraded by dipeptidyl peptidase-4 within a couple of minutes. Every long-acting agent in this class is essentially an answer to that one problem.

Native GLP-1 has a circulating half-life of one to two minutes because dipeptidyl peptidase-4 cleaves the two N-terminal residues. Substituting the position-8 alanine, as the long-acting analogues do, blocks that cleavage and is the single most consequential modification in the class.

The position-8 substitution conferring DPP-4 resistance appears in essentially every long-acting agent in the class, which is about as strong a piece of convergent evidence as medicinal chemistry offers.

Research-use material is not approved for human use, and mechanism is not a safety argument.

Glucose-dependence is the property to remember; it explains the safety profile on its own.

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answeredines_brandt113k25728 Aug 2024
8Thank you — this is the answer I was looking for. – aine_mulcahy 9 months ago
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