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How do I compare MKM and QST on lead time to Canada?

Asked 27 Jul 2024Modified 20 months agoViewed 26k times
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Setup, so nobody has to ask: MKM · QST · Canada.

The comparison I want does not seem to exist anywhere in a form I can evaluate.

I have read the arguments for each and they do not engage with each other.

So which one, and on what grounds?

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askedDr_Sara_Kuusela28k3727 Jul 2024
Do you have a certificate in front of you, or are you asking before requesting one? – h_pergande 18 days ago
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The short version: same compound, same laboratory, same method, ideally same week — otherwise you are comparing laboratories rather than suppliers.

Cost per milligram of actual peptide is the honest price comparison, which means dividing by measured content rather than by label claim.

Cost per milligram, adjusted honestly

StepValueNote
Vial price, 10 mg nominal£34.00As advertised
Nominal cost per mg£3.4034 ÷ 10
Measured content9.2 mgIndependent content assay
Cost per actual mg£3.7034 ÷ 9.2
Dead-space loss, 20 draws4 %80 µL of a 2 mL fill
Cost per delivered mg£3.853.70 ÷ 0.96
First vial, with £110 assay£14.85Testing dominates a single vial

Stated carefully, lead time and lane behaviour are supplier properties too and are easier to compare than analytical ones, because they need no laboratory at all.

The caveat is that a comparison is a snapshot of the lots compared, and lots change.

Price per milligram of measured peptide, not per milligram of label claim.

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answeredb_delacroix43k3822 Nov 2024
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In practice, ratings on this site are ours alone and are deliberately not reconciled with anyone else's.

Content is the more discriminating measurement than purity for supplier comparison, because purity clusters tightly among competent suppliers and content does not.

Compare documentation on a fixed checklist rather than by impression: lot specificity, method section, chromatogram availability, quantified content, water and counter-ion figures, and whether the code is on the vial.

Use a fixed documentation checklist rather than an impression.

edited 15 Nov 2024 by forty_two_c — added a caveat about sampling

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answeredforty_two_c66k5811 Nov 2024
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The relevant point is that two competent laboratories disagree by half a per cent on identical material, which is larger than most of the differences people argue about.

To compare properly: order the same compound at the same nominal strength from each supplier, submit all samples to the same laboratory in the same submission if possible, and ask for the same test set on each.

On the detail: sample size matters. One order each is an anecdote about six vials; three orders each over a year is the beginning of a comparison.

Content assay results across the published datasets vary considerably more between suppliers than purity does, which makes content the more discriminating axis.

Comparisons drawn from different laboratories at different times are weaker evidence than most people treat them as.

One laboratory, one method, one submission. Otherwise it is not a comparison.

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answeredcharge_state_316k3831 Oct 2024
2Worth flagging that comparing across laboratories is comparing laboratories, not suppliers. – k_szabo 2 months ago
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More usefully, a single member running three suppliers on one method is worth more than thirty members running one supplier each.

Submitting to different laboratories introduces a method difference that commonly exceeds the supplier difference. Gradient slope alone can move a reported purity figure by a per cent in either direction.

Nothing here is medical advice, and research-use compounds are not approved for human use.

Compare content, not purity. Purity clusters and content does not.

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answeredlane_transit60k4720 Oct 2024
4Thank you — this is the answer I was looking for. – Dr_Idris_Coulibaly 3 months ago
3Adding for future readers: ask for the lot-specific certificate before ordering, not after. – Dr_Ilse_Vandenberg 35 days ago
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Answer first: comparing suppliers is only meaningful if the comparison holds the laboratory, the method and the compound constant, and most published comparisons hold none of them.

Publish the method with the result. A comparison without the laboratory named and the submission dates given is not reproducible by anyone.

The ratings on this site are a community opinion average on a ten-point scale and are not reconciled with any other community's figures.

Name the laboratory and the dates or the comparison cannot be reproduced.

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answeredg_paskevicius60k278 Sept 2024

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Ask PeptideStack is a static archive. Posting is closed, but the norms are worth stating: answer the question that was asked, show your working, cite the trial or the certificate, and say plainly where the evidence runs out.

Not medical advice. Research-use-only compounds are not approved for human use.