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What is the reported incidence of reflux on retatrutide in TRIUMPH-1?

Asked 11 Jul 2024Modified 21 months agoViewed 21k times
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The particulars: reflux · retatrutide · TRIUMPH-1.

I want to understand what this actually establishes, as opposed to what it is being used to imply.

My concern is that I am being invited to draw a conclusion the data does not support.

What does this actually establish, and what does it not?

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askedforty_units16k1711 Jul 2024
3Is there any abdominal pain with it? That is the question everyone will ask next. – bac_or_bust 4 months ago
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Take it from the TRIUMPH-1 adverse-event table by arm, and check the unit before you use it. An incidence can be the proportion of participants who reported the event at least once, or the count of events divided by exposure time, and the two differ by however many people had it repeatedly. Then subtract the placebo arm, because the untreated rate is not zero. And read the discontinuation column beside it: an event that made people leave the trial is under-counted at every later visit, so a low late-timepoint incidence can mean the event was severe rather than rare.

Answer first: the gastrointestinal effects in this class share one mechanism — slowed gastric emptying plus central signalling — and present as nausea, fullness, reflux, constipation or diarrhoea depending on the person.

Reflux occurs because a slower-emptying stomach retains volume for longer against a lower oesophageal sphincter that has not changed. Smaller meals and not lying down within a few hours are the direct responses.

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Symptom prevalence in trials, broadly: nausea a quarter to a half, diarrhoea and constipation each roughly ten to twenty per cent, vomiting rather less, with all rates rising with dose.

Gastric emptying studies in this class quantify the delay directly and document its attenuation with continued exposure to the long-acting agents.

Slow the titration first. It is the intervention with the best evidence and the lowest cost.

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answered · acceptedtriple_agonist_q57k3818 Oct 2024
2Thank you — this is the answer I was looking for. – lipid_panel_q 6 months ago
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The honest answer is that the first eight weeks are the hard part and that most people who get through them stop having the conversation.

Gastric emptying of a solid meal can be delayed substantially at initiation. The effect is largest early and attenuates over weeks for the long-acting agents, which is the mechanistic basis for the titration schedule.

Anticipating a slower-than-label titration from the start is a legitimate approach and costs only time, since the exposure ceiling is the same.

Symptoms appearing late at a stable dose deserve a differential diagnosis rather than an assumption.

Most people who report these effects continue. The discontinuation rate is low.

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answeredtriple_agonist_q57k3812 Jul 2024
2This should be linked from the help pages. – valentina_rossi 9 months ago
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The short version: dose-related, escalation-concentrated, mostly attenuating except for constipation, and manageable by titration pace more than anything else.

The practical hierarchy of interventions: slow the titration, reduce meal size, reduce fat, separate fluids from meals, and only then consider symptomatic treatment.

Discontinuation for gastrointestinal effects in the trials runs in the low single-figure percentages, which means the great majority of people who experience these effects continue.

New symptoms at a stable dose after months need a different explanation.

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answeredtriple_agonist_q57k3829 Oct 2024
6Thank you — knowing this was expected rather than alarming was most of what I needed. – noor_alhassan 7 months ago
7Worth flagging that this presents differently in people who titrated faster than the label. – lipid_panel_q 8 months ago
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Diarrhoea and constipation both occur, which surprises people until they consider how many mechanisms are involved.

Fat is the macronutrient that slows emptying most on its own, so a high-fat meal on top of pharmacologically delayed emptying is the combination that produces the worst episodes.

Smaller meals, less fat, fluids between rather than with. In that order.

edited 13 Oct 2024 by lane_transit — expanded the table to cover the lower concentration

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answeredlane_transit60k477 Oct 2024

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