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What is the real cost per milligram after dead-space loss?

Asked 4 Aug 2025Modified 9 months agoViewed 24k times
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I am comparing three suppliers on documentation rather than on price.

I want the working, not the result — I need to be able to redo it with different numbers.

I care about the precision as well as the value — I want to know how many figures are real.

Where is my error, and what is the correct working?

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askedruaidhri_o_shea25k274 Aug 2025

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In practice, wastage from expired reconstituted vials is a real line item and nobody includes it.

Worked example. Supplier A: £60 for a 10 mg vial, content 96 per cent, so 9.6 mg for £60, or £6.25/mg before carriage. Supplier B: £52 for the same nominal vial, content 88 per cent, so 8.8 mg for £52, or £5.91/mg. B still wins here, but the gap has narrowed from thirteen per cent on the label to five per cent in reality.

Certificate red flags and what each implies

ObservationImplicationHow to check
Lot number not on the vialCertificate cannot be tied to your materialPhotograph vial and certificate together
No method sectionThe number is not reproducibleRequest column, gradient, wavelength
Purity to two decimals, no chromatogramFalse precisionRequest the trace
Test date before manufacture dateCertificate belongs to a different lotCompare dates
Identical figures across lotsOne certificate reusedCompare two lots side by side
“Sterile filtered” with no sterility testProcess claim substituted for a resultAsk for the sterility report

Specifically, carriage amortises across the order. Twenty-five pounds of carriage on one vial is £2.50/mg on a 10 mg vial; on ten vials it is £0.25/mg. That single term explains most of the case for larger, less frequent orders.

Syringe dead-space volumes are published per design, with fixed-needle insulin syringes under 5 microlitres and conventional luer designs at 35 microlitres or more.

Larger orders are cheaper per milligram and concentrate lot risk. Price both.

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answered · acceptedt_oyelaran79k4811 Nov 2025
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The relevant arithmetic is that a fifteen per cent price advantage disappears against a ten per cent content shortfall plus a testing cost.

Wastage from a reconstituted vial discarded at the end of its in-use period is a genuine cost, and it is a function of the diluent volume chosen at reconstitution rather than of anything the supplier did.

On the detail: cost per milligram is the wrong metric entirely if you are optimising for confidence rather than price, and it is worth saying which one you are doing before you build the spreadsheet.

Nothing here is medical advice, and research-use compounds are not approved for human use.

Divide by measured content, not by label claim. That is the whole correction.

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answeredtabular_nums71k4831 Oct 2025
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Answer first: compare cost per milligram of measured peptide, not per milligram of label claim, because content varies enough to reverse a comparison.

Independent testing costs roughly the price of one to two vials at the services this community uses. On a two-vial order that is a fifty to a hundred per cent surcharge; on a twenty-vial order it is five per cent.

Change one number and it reverses: if B assays at 82 per cent, that is 8.2 mg for £52, or £6.34/mg, and the cheaper vial is now the more expensive peptide.

Published content assay results across the independent services show nominal and measured content differing by one to ten per cent, which is the term that makes label-price comparisons unreliable.

Larger orders reduce cost per milligram and increase exposure to a single lot, which is a real trade rather than a free win.

Decide whether you are optimising cost or confidence before you build the model.

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answeredu100_marks52k379 Oct 2025
Thank you — the checklist format makes this actionable rather than merely correct. – marcus_thorbjorn 2 months ago
8Is there a sensible order size where independent testing stops being a large surcharge? – sian_llewellyn 8 days ago
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Specifically, this is a spreadsheet question and doing it properly changes conclusions more often than people expect.

Dead-space loss is small with fixed-needle insulin syringes — a few microlitres per draw — and substantial with detachable-needle luer syringes at 35 to 100 microlitres. Across twenty draws that is up to two millilitres of solution.

Independent testing prices at the services this community uses are published and are stable enough to model.

Fixed-needle syringes save more peptide than most price differences do.

edited 27 Oct 2025 by tenth_of_a_unit — tightened the wording; no substantive change

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answeredtenth_of_a_unit57k3720 Oct 2025
6Any view on whether two lots agreeing is worth more than one lot excelling? I think it is. – deamidation_watch 7 months ago
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The honest answer is that the cheapest headline price is frequently not the cheapest outcome.

The full calculation: (unit price + carriage share + testing share) ÷ (nominal mg × measured content fraction × (1 − dead-space and wastage fraction)). Every term after the first is routinely omitted.

Carriage on international consignments scales sub-linearly with weight, which is the quantitative basis for order consolidation.

A spreadsheet built on label claim rather than measured content is precise about the wrong number.

Include carriage and testing as per-milligram terms. They dominate small orders.

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answeredt_oyelaran79k4817 Sept 2025

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Ask PeptideStack is a static archive. Posting is closed, but the norms are worth stating: answer the question that was asked, show your working, cite the trial or the certificate, and say plainly where the evidence runs out.

Not medical advice. Research-use-only compounds are not approved for human use.