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What does STEP 3 tell me about vomiting at the 2 mg dose?

Asked 28 Jul 2024Modified 20 months agoViewed 17k times
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Conditions: STEP 3 · vomiting · 2 mg.

I would like to know the limits of what can be inferred from this.

What I am trying to avoid is over-reading a single result, which I have done before.

How should I read this, and where are the traps?

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askeddead_volume56k4828 Jul 2024

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Only what the 2 mg arm reported, and the denominator is that arm rather than the trial. Adverse-event tables are published per arm, so the 2 mg incidence of vomiting has its own numerator and its own denominator, and pooling it with the other arms produces a figure that describes nobody. Two further deductions before you use it. Subtract the placebo arm — vomiting occurs in people who received nothing, and the difference is the part attributable to the drug. And check whether STEP 3 counted events or counted participants: one participant with six episodes is one row in a participant count and six in an event count, and the two get quoted interchangeably. Nothing here is medical advice.

Look at the discontinuation rate alongside the efficacy figure. A large effect in the two thirds who stayed is a different result from a large effect in everyone.

Non-inferiority and superiority designs are not interchangeable. A non-inferiority result says the new agent is not meaningfully worse against a pre-specified margin — it does not say it is as good, and it certainly does not say it is better.

Worth being precise here: a composite endpoint is only as informative as its least serious component. Where a cardiovascular composite combines death, infarction and stroke, ask which component moved, because they are not interchangeable outcomes.

The short version: check the endpoint, check the comparator, check who was excluded, then look at the number.

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answeredDr_Otto_Lindqvist72k5817 Nov 2024
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The short version: the effect is real, the magnitude depends on the population, and the population is usually the part that gets dropped when a result is quoted second-hand.

Duration decides what can be seen. A 68-week trial can measure weight and glycaemia; it cannot measure anything whose event rate is one per cent per year without enrolling tens of thousands.

On the detail: intention-to-treat and per-protocol analyses answer different questions. ITT asks what happens if you offer the treatment; per-protocol asks what happens if it is taken as directed. The gap between the two is a measure of how tolerable the protocol was.

Quote the interval alongside the estimate and half the disagreements on this site would not start.

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answeredDr_Lena_Ostrowska38k2731 Jul 2024
4Thank you for separating the surrogate from the outcome. That distinction gets lost constantly. – e_dziedzic 8 months ago
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Before comparing two trials, check whether they share an endpoint definition. Frequently they do not, and the numbers then are not comparable in any sense.

Open-label extensions are not the same evidence as the randomised phase. Once everyone knows what they are taking, the reported outcomes acquire a bias that no analysis fully removes.

Confidence intervals matter more than point estimates when two trials disagree. Two studies reporting fifteen and twenty per cent whose intervals overlap heavily have not disagreed about anything.

Read the protocol and the statistical analysis plan if the result matters to you. Both are usually published alongside.

edited 31 Oct 2024 by deamidation_watch — added the citation requested in comments

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answereddeamidation_watch45k5826 Oct 2024
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Start with what the trial was powered for. Everything else in the publication is secondary, exploratory, or a subgroup, and those three words mean three different things.

Placebo arms in this class are not nothing. Lifestyle-intervention placebo arms in the major obesity trials commonly lose two to three per cent of body weight, so an active-arm figure quoted without its comparator overstates the drug effect by roughly that much.

I am not a clinician and this is not medical advice; it is a reading of a published protocol.

If a claim cannot be traced to a named trial with a named endpoint, treat it as a claim rather than as evidence.

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answeredDr_Otto_Lindqvist72k586 Nov 2024
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In practice, this is answerable from the published record, but only if you take the placebo arm seriously rather than reading the active arm alone.

Trial populations are selected. Exclusion criteria in this class routinely remove people with significant renal impairment, prior pancreatitis and unstable psychiatric illness, which is exactly the population the results are then quoted for.

Meta-analyses in this area are dominated by whichever trial contributed the most participants, so read the forest plot rather than the summary estimate.

Be careful about generalising from a trial population to yourself. The exclusion criteria are usually the most informative page in the supplement.

When two sources disagree, the answer is almost always in the methods section of the one you have not read.

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answeredlucia_marchetti19k273 Sept 2024

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Ask PeptideStack is a static archive. Posting is closed, but the norms are worth stating: answer the question that was asked, show your working, cite the trial or the certificate, and say plainly where the evidence runs out.

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