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What does the regain curve actually look like after stopping, and how fast does it happen?

Asked 12 Nov 2024Modified 18 months agoViewed 41k times
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I am going to have to stop, not by choice: my supply arrangement is ending and the alternative is not affordable for me long term. I have gone from 108 kg to 79 kg over sixteen months on tirzepatide.

What I want is the actual data rather than the two things I keep being told, which are "you will regain it all immediately" and "you will be fine if you have built good habits". Both of those sound like positions rather than findings.

Specifically:

  • What fraction of lost weight was regained in the withdrawal arms of the trials, and over what period?
  • Is the regain linear, front-loaded, or does it accelerate?
  • Did anything other than weight revert as well? I care about my blood pressure and lipids, which both improved substantially.
  • Does the amount you lost predict the amount you regain, in proportional terms?

I would rather plan against a realistic number than be surprised. If the honest answer is "expect to regain two thirds within a year unless something changes", I would like to know that now so I can decide what that something is.

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askedthabo_maseko20k2712 Nov 2024
There are two randomised withdrawal designs that answer this directly, plus a one-year off-treatment extension. The numbers are more consistent than you would expect. – Dr_Priya_Raghunathan 7 months ago
The cardiometabolic reversion question is the one people forget to ask and it has a clear answer. – thermal_mass 8 months ago
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The data is unusually consistent: expect to regain roughly two thirds of what you lost within the first year off treatment, front-loaded, with cardiometabolic markers reverting on a similar timescale. Two randomised withdrawal designs and one off-treatment extension all converge on approximately the same fraction, which is a stronger result than any single trial.

The withdrawal and regain data

StudyDesignLoss before withdrawalContinued-treatment armWithdrawn armFraction of loss regained
STEP 1 extensionOff-treatment observational follow-up, 52 weeks after a 68-week trial [1]-17.3% at week 68 (semaglutide 2.4 mg)Not applicable-5.6% vs baseline at week 120about 11.7 percentage points regained, roughly two thirds
STEP 4Randomised withdrawal after a 20-week run-in [2]-10.6% during run-inA further -7.9% over 48 weeks+6.9% over 48 weeksabout two thirds of run-in loss, in 48 weeks
SURMOUNT-4Randomised withdrawal after a 36-week open-label lead-in [3]-20.9% during lead-inA further -5.5% over 52 weeks (total -25.3%)+14.0% over 52 weeks (total -9.9%)about two thirds of lead-in loss, in 52 weeks
Liraglutide 3.0 mg withdrawalOff-treatment follow-up after 56 weeksRoughly -8% typicalNot applicablePartial regain within the follow-up windowSubstantial, similar direction, shorter observation

Three independent designs, two different molecules, and the same fraction. That convergence is why the "two thirds in a year" figure is the one I would plan against.

Applied to your numbers

Starting weight:      108 kg
Current weight:        79 kg
Total lost:            29 kg  (-26.9%)

Expected regain at the two-thirds figure:
  29 x 0.67 = 19.4 kg
  projected weight at 12 months off: 79 + 19.4 = 98.4 kg

Monthly rate if linear:
  19.4 / 12 = 1.6 kg/month
Front-loaded, so realistically:
  months 1-3:   ~2.2 kg/month  = 6.6 kg
  months 4-8:   ~1.6 kg/month  = 8.0 kg
  months 9-12:  ~1.2 kg/month  = 4.8 kg
                                ------
                                 19.4 kg

Note that a bigger loss means a bigger absolute regain but not a worse proportional outcome. You would still be roughly 10 kg below your starting weight at twelve months off treatment, which is not nothing and matters clinically.

Shape of the curve

Front-loaded. The regain rate is steepest in the first three to four months and decelerates thereafter, which mirrors the loss curve in reverse. The mechanism is straightforward: appetite suppression disappears over roughly four to five weeks as the drug clears, at which point you are eating against restored orexigenic drive while carrying the full counter-regulatory penalty of having lost weight. Early regain also includes several kilograms of fluid and glycogen as intake normalises, so the first month can look alarming and overstate the fat component.

Importantly, in the trial data the curves had not fully returned to baseline at one year and were still rising. Two-thirds at twelve months does not mean it stops at two thirds.

Cardiometabolic reversion

This is the part of the STEP 1 extension that gets least attention and matters most. Improvements in blood pressure, lipid profile, HbA1c and C-reactive protein all moved back toward baseline in parallel with the weight, with the exception of some residual benefit proportional to the residual weight loss. The practical reading: the metabolic benefit tracks the weight rather than persisting independently of it. If you had a 12 mmHg systolic improvement and you regain two thirds of the weight, plan on losing most of that improvement.

Which makes the residual matter. Every kilogram you do not regain carries proportional metabolic benefit with it, so partial success is genuinely valuable rather than a consolation prize.

What predicts a better-than-average outcome

The trials were not designed to answer this and the observational evidence is weak, so treat the following as reasoned rather than demonstrated. The factors most plausibly protective, in rough order:

  • Retained lean mass and an established resistance-training habit. Higher fat-free mass means higher expenditure and a smaller energy gap to defend.
  • A period of deliberate weight stability before stopping. Counter-regulatory signalling attenuates with time at a stable weight. Stopping at the bottom of an active decline is the worst moment to stop.
  • Maintained daily activity, particularly step count. The strongest single behavioural correlate of maintained loss in the broader literature.
  • A structured eating pattern that does not depend on absent appetite. If your intake control is entirely pharmacological, it disappears with the drug. If it is partly structural, it does not.
  • Protein intake maintained through the transition. Satiety and lean-mass protection at the exact moment you need both.

Given your situation, the highest-value thing you can do is spend two to three months at a deliberate, stable maintenance weight before supply ends rather than continuing to lose right up to the last vial. That is the one variable fully in your control and it costs you nothing.

edited 16 Jan 2025 by pieter_maas — added the method parameters

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answered · acceptedpieter_maas22k1811 Jan 2025
3Three designs and two molecules converging on two thirds is about as good as evidence gets in this field. – Dr_Tomas_Kral 8 months ago
4The cardiometabolic reversion tracking the weight rather than persisting is the finding I wish were better known. – Dr_Ilse_Vandenberg 9 months ago
Stabilising for a few months before the last vial rather than losing until supply runs out is advice I would give anyone in this position. – Dr_Idris_Coulibaly 34 days ago
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A qualification on the two-thirds figure that changes how you should read it for yourself: it is a mean, and the distribution around it is very wide.

In the withdrawal arms, individual outcomes spanned from people who regained essentially everything within a year to a minority who held most of their loss. The mean is the correct planning figure in the absence of other information, but it is not a prediction about you, and importantly the variance is not random. It is largely explained by what people did after stopping, which is the part of the design the trials did not control.

The reason this matters practically: framing regain as inevitable and pharmacologically determined is demoralising and also wrong. The drug removed a barrier to running a deficit. Removing the drug restores the barrier, it does not install a mechanism that forces gain. Plenty of people maintain large losses without pharmacology; they just find it harder than people who never lost the weight, which is a different claim from finding it impossible.

What I would take from the trials:

  • The default trajectory is substantial regain. Plan for it, do not be surprised by it, and do not treat regain as personal failure when it is the modal outcome.
  • The default is not the only outcome, and the deviation from it is behavioural.
  • The first four months are where the trajectory is set. Front-loaded regain means front-loaded effort, which is the opposite of how people usually allocate attention.

One thing worth being blunt about: intermittent use, stopping when weight is good and restarting when it drifts, is what a lot of people end up doing for cost reasons, and it is not obviously worse than nothing. It has not been studied properly, it means repeated titration and repeated side effects, and it means repeated cycles of losing weight that will include some lean tissue and regaining weight that will be mostly fat. That last point is the real cost of cycling and it accumulates. If the choice is between cycling and never treating at all, cycling is defensible; if the choice is between cycling and a lower maintenance dose held continuously, the second is probably better for body composition.

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answeredDr_Colm_Fitzhenry85k24822 Jan 2025
4The point about cycling costing you lean tissue on the way down and returning fat on the way up is the strongest argument against intermittent use I have seen. – tandem_gradient 3 months ago
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Worth separating out the first four to six weeks after stopping, because people misread them badly and the misreading causes bad decisions.

Expect a rapid weight increase in the first two to four weeks that is largely not fat:

As intake normalises:
  glycogen restoration     ~300-500 g
  water bound to glycogen  ~900-1500 g
  increased gut content    ~500-1000 g
  sodium and plasma volume ~500-1000 g
  total non-fat regain     ~2.2-4.0 kg

So a 3 kg increase in the first month off treatment is compatible with zero fat gain. People see it, panic, conclude that the trial data understated the problem, and either crash-diet, which sets up a worse cycle, or give up.

Practical guidance for that window:

  • Do not weigh daily for the first month. Weigh weekly, or stop weighing and use a waist measurement, which is far less sensitive to fluid.
  • Expect appetite to return progressively rather than suddenly, tracking drug clearance over four to five weeks, and expect it to overshoot slightly before settling.
  • The hardest period is reported to be weeks three to eight: the drug is mostly gone, novelty and vigilance have worn off, and the counter-regulatory drive is at its peak.
  • Put structure in place before you stop, not after. Fixed meals, protein targets, planned training, a weekly weigh-in ritual. Building habits while appetite is still suppressed is far easier than building them while it is rebounding.

None of this is a reason to be complacent about the real regain risk. It is a reason not to draw conclusions from month one.

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answeredsian_llewellyn85k24820 Dec 2024

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