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Is resistance training four times a week enough at 800 kcal a day?

Asked 17 Apr 2025Modified 12 months agoViewed 15k times
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The particulars: four · 800 kcal.

I would like to define my thresholds before I have a result, for obvious reasons.

I want a plan with explicit stopping rules, not just steps.

What does a sensible plan look like, and what are the decision points?

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askedcold_lane10k1617 Apr 2025

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Four sessions a week against 800 kcal a day — 5600 kcal for the week — and at that intake the binding constraint is almost never the session count. Protein at 4 kcal per gram is the reason: 100 g a day is 400 kcal, 50 per cent of 800, and 2800 kcal of the 5600 for the week spoken for before anything else is eaten. 4 sessions also has to be recovered from on 800 kcal, and recovery is the first thing an energy deficit takes. Load matters more than frequency here: the stimulus that preserves mass is mechanical tension, so keep the weight and cut the volume rather than the reverse. None of this is medical or dietary advice.

Worth being precise here: compound movements give the most stimulus per unit of recovery, which matters more when recovery is the limiting resource.

Around ten hard sets per muscle group per week is the region where most of the retention benefit is realised; more produces diminishing returns and, in a deficit, a recovery cost.

The part that matters: protein timing matters far less than protein total, but a serving within a few hours either side of training is a free optimisation.

Volume dose-response meta-analyses place most of the hypertrophy benefit below about ten to twenty weekly sets per muscle group, with diminishing returns above.

One to three reps in reserve. Failure costs more than it returns here.

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The honest answer is that almost any structured programme performed consistently beats an optimised programme performed sporadically.

Load is the retention signal. Reducing weight and adding repetitions preserves the workout and weakens the stimulus, which is exactly backwards for this objective.

Beginners retain the ability to gain muscle in a moderate deficit for several months; trained individuals should expect maintenance and be satisfied with it.

Frequency studies generally favour twice-weekly over once-weekly per muscle group at equated volume.

Compound movements first, because recovery is the scarce resource.

edited 5 Aug 2025 by ruaidhri_o_shea — added the method parameters

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answeredruaidhri_o_shea25k2725 Jul 2025
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Answer first: the objective in a deficit is retention, not growth, and retention needs load maintenance and adequate volume rather than progression.

Session performance is the practical readiness signal. Two consecutive sessions where loads drop at matched effort usually means recovery, sleep or intake rather than programming.

The part that matters: two sessions per muscle group per week outperforms one at matched volume in most of the published comparisons, mainly through better session quality.

Training-to-failure comparisons show similar hypertrophy with substantially greater fatigue when sets are taken to failure rather than near it.

Ten sets per muscle group per week, twice weekly, loads held. That is most of it.

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answeredgradient_slope46k3814 Jul 2025
6Thank you — reframing progression as maintained performance was genuinely useful. – mala_venkatesh 2 days ago
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Progression in a deficit is measured in maintained performance rather than added load, and reframing it that way prevents a lot of discouragement.

Training close to failure — one to three repetitions in reserve — is sufficient. Training to failure adds fatigue disproportionately to stimulus and is a poor trade when recovery is constrained.

Load-matched comparisons show that maintaining intensity preserves strength and lean mass in a deficit better than reducing load and increasing repetitions.

Published averages conceal wide individual response variation, particularly in older trainees.

In a deficit, maintaining performance is progression. Reframe it and stop being discouraged.

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answeredDr_Yusuf_Adeyemi54k1473 Jul 2025
4The per-meal saturation figure is the part I did not know and it changed how I eat. – tare_weight 7 months ago
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The short version: two to four sessions weekly, roughly ten sets per muscle group per week, loads maintained, effort close to but short of failure.

Appetite suppression reduces training fuel as well as protein, and low-carbohydrate sessions feel much worse than they perform. Judge by load, not by feel.

The body-composition substudies in the major programmes consistently report that the proportion of weight lost as fat mass is approximately three quarters or better, with the lean-mass fraction falling within the range seen in dietary weight loss of comparable magnitude[1].

Nothing here is medical advice.

Consistency beats optimisation by a margin nobody wants to hear.

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answeredsian_llewellyn65k14722 May 2025

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