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Is ferritin worth drawing at baseline before starting oral semaglutide?

Asked 12 Jul 2024Modified 22 months agoViewed 17k times
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For reference: ferritin · oral semaglutide.

The failure mode I am trying to avoid is making this decision emotionally.

I have twelve months in view and I would like the plan to survive that long.

What should I decide now, and what should I defer?

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askedbac_or_bust33k13712 Jul 2024
8Same laboratory as last time? Between-laboratory differences are larger than most of the changes people chase. – bea_castellanos 2 months ago
Can you say how far out of range rather than that it was flagged? The flag is a threshold, not a finding. – Dr_Rosalind_Achebe 3 months ago
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Before reacting to any single value, check whether it is outside the interval by an amount larger than the assay's own variation.

Haemolysis in the sample raises potassium and several enzymes spuriously. If a result is bizarre, ask whether the sample was flagged before building a theory on it.

Headline results, principal programmes

TrialAgentnDurationPrimary result
STEP 1Semaglutide 2.4 mg1,96168 wk−14.9 % vs −2.4 % weight
STEP 2Semaglutide 2.4 mg, T2DM1,21068 wk−9.6 % vs −3.4 % weight
SURMOUNT-1Tirzepatide 5/10/15 mg2,53972 wk−15 / −19 / −21 % weight
SURMOUNT-4Tirzepatide, withdrawal67088 wkContinued loss vs substantial regain
SELECTSemaglutide 2.4 mg17,604~40 moMACE HR 0.80 (0.72–0.90)
FLOWSemaglutide 1.0 mg, CKD3,533~3.4 yrRenal composite reduced; stopped early
SURMOUNT-OSATirzepatide, OSA46952 wkAHI reduced with and without PAP

Keep the reports rather than the numbers. Units, reference intervals and methods all vary, and a bare number two years later is not comparable to anything.

Biological variation data are published per analyte and are the basis for the reference change value — the difference between two results that is larger than noise.

Ordering tests you will not act on generates anxiety and incidental findings, both of which have costs.

Keep the full report, not the number. You will need the units and the interval later.

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answered · acceptedpk_curve30k288 Aug 2024
Adding for future readers: ask for the reference interval printed beside the result, not just the flag. – Dr_Wren_Halliday 9 months ago
The one-in-twenty out-of-range arithmetic should be printed at the top of every panel report. – laminar_bench 31 days ago
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The honest position is that most people order too many analytes and too few time points, when the reverse would be more informative.

Same laboratory, same method, same time of day, same fasting state. Between-laboratory differences on several common analytes are larger than the changes people are trying to detect.

A twenty-analyte panel run on a healthy person will produce, on average, one out-of-range result purely from how reference intervals are constructed. That is arithmetic rather than pathology.

Baseline first, then a repeat under identical conditions. Everything else is secondary.

edited 24 Aug 2024 by Dr_Nadia_Farsi — reworded for clarity after a comment

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answeredDr_Nadia_Farsi104k24719 Aug 2024
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Standardise the conditions — same time of day, same fasting state, same laboratory — or you are measuring the conditions rather than yourself.

Repeat before you react. A single abnormal value has a substantial probability of being within the combined biological and analytical variation of a normal one.

Specifically, a sensible core for this population is a full blood count, renal function with electrolytes, liver enzymes with bilirubin, a fasting lipid panel with apolipoprotein B, HbA1c and thyroid-stimulating hormone.

Pre-analytical factors — posture, tourniquet time, fasting, sample handling — are the largest source of error in routine biochemistry, well ahead of the analysis itself.

Research-use compounds are not approved for human use, and no panel makes that safer.

One out-of-range value on a twenty-analyte panel is expected. Two on a repeat is a finding.

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answeredtobias_maartens171k35817 Jul 2024
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The short version: a small, well-chosen panel with a baseline beats a large one without.

Timing matters per analyte: cortisol and testosterone are diurnal, triglycerides are postprandial, and creatinine responds to hydration and to recent training. Fixing the conditions removes most of the noise.

Same laboratory, same time, same fasting state, or the comparison is not a comparison.

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answeredfib4_reader24k2728 Jul 2024
Is the assay method stated on your report? Two immunoassays for the same analyte do not agree with each other. – juliette_farnese 2 months ago
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Answer first: decide what you would do differently for each possible result before you order the panel. Anything that fails that test is a number you will worry about and not act on.

Delta checks — comparing against your own previous value — are far more sensitive than comparing against a population interval, which is the argument for keeping a series rather than a snapshot.

Reference intervals are conventionally the central ninety-five per cent of a reference population, which is the direct cause of the one-in-twenty out-of-range rate on a healthy panel.

Decide the action for each result before you order the test.

edited 22 Sept 2024 by wren_calloway — added a caveat about sampling

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answeredwren_calloway23k3822 Sept 2024
Any view on cystatin C where muscle mass is falling? Creatinine seems to mislead in exactly that case. – Dr_Hanne_Solberg 2 months ago
Minor: haemolysis inflates potassium enough to cause a fright over what is a handling artefact. – samir_bennani 4 months ago
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