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Is an 18G drawing needle the right choice for drawing retatrutide at 5 mg/mL?

Asked 28 May 2026Modified 1 min agoViewed 7.2k times
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What I have: an 18G drawing needle · retatrutide · 5 mg/mL.

I have used one of these for a while and I am considering switching, which requires a reason.

What I care about is reproducibility, because a result I cannot repeat is not useful to me.

What does each option buy me, and what does it cost me?

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askedpk_curve30k2828 May 2026

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At 5 mg/mL a 1 mg dose is 0.2 mL — 20 units on a U-100 barrel — and no needle gauge changes that number. Gauge changes three other things: how long the draw takes, how much stays behind in the hub, and how much rubber you core out of the stopper. On the 18G scale a larger number is a finer needle, so an 18G drawing needle is coarse enough to draw quickly and coarse enough to cut a visible plug from the stopper. If you are drawing 20 units at a time, the dead space matters more than the bore: a fixed-needle barrel loses microlitres, a luer hub loses tens of them, and at 5 mg/mL each microlitre is 5 µg.

The short version: 21G to 23G to draw, 29G to 31G to inject, and never the same needle for both.

Very fine needles are more prone to bending and to blocking with any particulate, which is a practical argument for inspecting the solution before drawing.

Concentration and unit conversion at a glance

VialDiluentConcentration0.25 mg0.5 mg1 mg2.5 mg
5 mg1 mL5 mg/mL5 u10 u20 u50 u
5 mg2 mL2.5 mg/mL10 u20 u40 u100 u
10 mg1 mL10 mg/mL2.5 u5 u10 u25 u
10 mg2 mL5 mg/mL5 u10 u20 u50 u
10 mg3 mL3.33 mg/mL7.5 u15 u30 u75 u

Units are U-100 insulin units, where 1 unit = 0.01 mL. Divide dose by concentration for millilitres, then multiply by 100.

Stopper coring — punching a disc of rubber into the solution — is a large-bore phenomenon. An 18G or 21G needle inserted straight and fast is the classic way to do it; inserting at a slight angle with the bevel up reduces the risk.

The Hagen–Poiseuille relation gives flow proportional to the fourth power of radius, which is the quantitative basis for every gauge recommendation here.

Flow goes as the fourth power of radius. That is why the difference feels so large.

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answeredlow_dead_space37k378 Jun 2026
Thank you — the worked example is what makes this usable. – sasha_ferreira 2 months ago
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Start with the fact that gauge numbers run backwards — a higher number is a thinner needle — which is the source of half the confusion in this tag.

Drawing a viscous or foamy solution through a fine needle takes long enough that people rush the plunger, which causes more foaming. Using a wider drawing needle is the fix.

It helps to be literal here: for injecting, 29G to 31G is the usual range and the difference in perceived discomfort between them is small. Needle length matters more than gauge for comfort at these volumes.

Needle gauge to outer diameter correspondence is standardised and published; the inverse relationship between gauge number and diameter is the reason for the counter-intuitive labelling.

The caveat is that no gauge choice makes a non-sterile preparation safe, and research-use compounds are not approved for human use.

Gauge numbers run backwards. Higher number, thinner needle.

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answeredjuan_esquivel14k1612 Jun 2026
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Answer first: use the largest bore you tolerate for drawing and the smallest for injecting, because the two operations have opposite requirements.

Fixed-needle insulin syringes are supplied in 29G to 31G and cannot be swapped for drawing, which is the trade-off against their much lower dead space.

Stated carefully, a 30G or 31G needle through a butyl stopper leaves a track that reseals, which is why fine-gauge repeated entry is tolerable and coarse-gauge repeated entry is not.

Higher gauge is not automatically better; it is thinner, which has costs as well as benefits.

Length affects comfort more than gauge does at these volumes.

edited 28 Jun 2026 by Dr_Nadia_Farsi — corrected a unit error in the worked example

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answeredDr_Nadia_Farsi104k24731 May 2026
7This should be linked from the help pages. – Dr_Rosalind_Achebe 31 days ago
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The relevant physics is the fourth-power dependence of flow on radius, which makes small gauge differences enormous in practice.

Flow through a needle scales with the fourth power of the internal radius under the Hagen–Poiseuille relation. Halving the radius reduces flow sixteen-fold at the same pressure, which is why a 31G needle draws so much more slowly than a 21G.

Coring risk as a function of needle gauge and insertion technique is documented in pharmacy compounding guidance.

If a solution will not draw through a 25G needle, the problem is the solution rather than the needle.

Angle the bevel and insert gently to avoid coring the stopper.

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answeredlaminar_bench69k574 Jun 2026
5Would this be different for a peptide that foams? Mine does and I have never known why. – Dr_Bram_Verhoeven 5 months ago
6Reading the leading edge of the stopper rather than the shoulder is worth a sentence of its own. – jana_horakova 7 months ago
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Answering this needs to know the viscosity of what is being drawn, since a viscous solution through a fine needle is slow enough to encourage bad technique.

Typical outer diameters: 21G is about 0.82 mm, 23G about 0.64 mm, 25G about 0.51 mm, 29G about 0.34 mm and 31G about 0.26 mm. The gauge number and the diameter move in opposite directions.

Nothing here is medical advice.

Big to draw, small to inject, never the same one twice.

edited 15 Aug 2026 by leah_ferrers — clarified the distinction between purity and content

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answeredleah_ferrers12k1625 Jul 2026

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