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How does MKM compare to Chinese Peptide Company on documentation quality?

Asked 21 Jun 2024Modified 23 months agoViewed 76k times
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Conditions: MKM · Chinese Peptide Company.

I am trying to choose between two options that are usually discussed as though only one exists.

I am not optimising for price, but I am not indifferent to it either.

What does each option buy me, and what does it cost me?

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askedbufferline4230k13821 Jun 2024
6Voting to keep this open — it is more specific than it first looks. – aine_mulcahy 3 months ago
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The relevant point is that two competent laboratories disagree by half a per cent on identical material, which is larger than most of the differences people argue about.

Content is the more discriminating measurement than purity for supplier comparison, because purity clusters tightly among competent suppliers and content does not.

Cost per milligram, adjusted honestly

StepValueNote
Vial price, 10 mg nominal£34.00As advertised
Nominal cost per mg£3.4034 ÷ 10
Measured content9.2 mgIndependent content assay
Cost per actual mg£3.7034 ÷ 9.2
Dead-space loss, 20 draws4 %80 µL of a 2 mL fill
Cost per delivered mg£3.853.70 ÷ 0.96
First vial, with £110 assay£14.85Testing dominates a single vial

The part that matters: lead time and lane behaviour are supplier properties too and are easier to compare than analytical ones, because they need no laboratory at all.

Inter-laboratory spread on identical peptide material is routinely half a per cent to a per cent by RP-HPLC, which is the noise floor for any cross-laboratory comparison.

One laboratory, one method, one submission. Otherwise it is not a comparison.

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answered · acceptedRP_C18105k34814 Jul 2024
2Adding for future readers: ask for the lot-specific certificate before ordering, not after. – harriet_lonsdale 5 months ago
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Answering this needs the axis. A supplier that is best on paperwork and a supplier that is best on price are both correct answers to different questions.

Cost per milligram of actual peptide is the honest price comparison, which means dividing by measured content rather than by label claim.

Concretely, publish the method with the result. A comparison without the laboratory named and the submission dates given is not reproducible by anyone.

The caveat is that a comparison is a snapshot of the lots compared, and lots change.

Use a fixed documentation checklist rather than an impression.

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answerednine_point_nine60k1485 Aug 2024
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The short version: same compound, same laboratory, same method, ideally same week — otherwise you are comparing laboratories rather than suppliers.

To compare properly: order the same compound at the same nominal strength from each supplier, submit all samples to the same laboratory in the same submission if possible, and ask for the same test set on each.

To be exact about it, sample size matters. One order each is an anecdote about six vials; three orders each over a year is the beginning of a comparison.

Content assay results across the published datasets vary considerably more between suppliers than purity does, which makes content the more discriminating axis.

Price per milligram of measured peptide, not per milligram of label claim.

edited 15 Aug 2024 by ayo_fadipe — added the method parameters

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answeredayo_fadipe9.4k1625 Jul 2024
3Worth adding that legal position and enforcement posture are different things. – Dr_Fatima_Belkacem 12 days ago
4The cost-per-milligram-of-measured-content correction reversed my own spreadsheet. – tobias_maartens 2 months ago
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Start by asking what you are optimising for, because cost per milligram, documentation depth and lead time do not have a common winner.

Submitting to different laboratories introduces a method difference that commonly exceeds the supplier difference. Gradient slope alone can move a reported purity figure by a per cent in either direction.

The ratings on this site are a community opinion average on a ten-point scale and are not reconciled with any other community's figures.

Comparisons drawn from different laboratories at different times are weaker evidence than most people treat them as.

Compare content, not purity. Purity clusters and content does not.

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answeredw_okoye43k1373 Jul 2024
6Same experience here, different supplier. – Dr_Fatima_Belkacem 27 days ago
5Is there a sensible order size where independent testing stops being a large surcharge? – plunger_stop 9 months ago
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Answer first: comparing suppliers is only meaningful if the comparison holds the laboratory, the method and the compound constant, and most published comparisons hold none of them.

Compare documentation on a fixed checklist rather than by impression: lot specificity, method section, chromatogram availability, quantified content, water and counter-ion figures, and whether the code is on the vial.

Gradient slope, column chemistry and detection wavelength all affect the reported purity figure, which is why the method section is the part that makes results comparable.

Name the laboratory and the dates or the comparison cannot be reproduced.

edited 17 Jul 2024 by RP_C18 — corrected a unit error in the worked example

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answeredRP_C18105k34822 Jun 2024

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