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How do I convert the STEP 1 hazard ratio into an absolute risk reduction?

Asked 12 Nov 2025Modified 5 months agoViewed 6.1k times
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My laboratory results are from the same laboratory each time, drawn fasting, which I gather matters.

Please show the division. I want to check my own against yours.

I would like the general form as well as the specific number, so I can apply it again.

Is my approach right even if my number is wrong?

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askedjana_horakova10k1412 Nov 2025
2Worth saying whether you want relative or absolute risk. They read very differently. – Dr_Aoife_Brennan 6 months ago
3Same question, and the two papers I found disagree, which is why I am watching. – Dr_Yusuf_Adeyemi 7 months ago
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A hazard ratio from STEP 1 cannot be converted into an absolute risk reduction without the control-arm event rate, and that rate is the number people forget to carry across. The arithmetic: absolute reduction equals the control event rate minus the treated event rate, and the treated rate is approximately the control rate multiplied by the ratio. A hazard ratio of 0.80 against a 10 per cent control rate is a 2-point absolute reduction and a number needed to treat of 50; the same 0.80 against a 2 per cent control rate is 0.4 points and a number needed to treat of 250. Identical ratio, six-fold difference in what it is worth. Take the control-arm rate and the follow-up duration from the STEP 1 paper, not from the abstract, and do the subtraction yourself.

Stated carefully, the mechanism question and the outcome question are separate. The outcome data stand whether or not the mechanistic story is settled, and the mechanistic story is not settled.

Benefit appears to track exposure duration rather than switching on at a threshold, which is what you would expect from a mechanism working partly through weight, blood pressure and glycaemia rather than instead of them.

Headline results, principal programmes

TrialAgentnDurationPrimary result
STEP 1Semaglutide 2.4 mg1,96168 wk−14.9 % vs −2.4 % weight
STEP 2Semaglutide 2.4 mg, T2DM1,21068 wk−9.6 % vs −3.4 % weight
SURMOUNT-1Tirzepatide 5/10/15 mg2,53972 wk−15 / −19 / −21 % weight
SURMOUNT-4Tirzepatide, withdrawal67088 wkContinued loss vs substantial regain
SELECTSemaglutide 2.4 mg17,604~40 moMACE HR 0.80 (0.72–0.90)
FLOWSemaglutide 1.0 mg, CKD3,533~3.4 yrRenal composite reduced; stopped early
SURMOUNT-OSATirzepatide, OSA46952 wkAHI reduced with and without PAP

The underlying point is that resting heart rate rises by roughly two to four beats per minute across the class. The mechanism is not fully settled, the magnitude is consistent, and it has not translated into an adverse outcome signal in the trials that looked.

Where a cardiovascular claim is made for an agent with no completed outcome trial, the honest statement is that the class evidence is suggestive and the agent-specific evidence does not yet exist.

Read SELECT for the without-diabetes population and the earlier outcome trials for the with-diabetes one. They are not the same result.

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Mechanically, what the outcome trials established is that the class does not increase cardiovascular risk and, in the higher-risk populations studied, reduces it. Those are two separate findings from the same programme.

Systolic blood pressure falls by about three to six millimetres of mercury at the doses studied, most of it early and much of it attributable to weight loss rather than to a direct vascular effect.

The relevant detail is that SELECT randomised people with established cardiovascular disease and overweight or obesity but without diabetes to semaglutide 2.4 mg, and reported roughly a twenty per cent relative reduction in the primary composite. The absolute difference over about three years was on the order of one and a half percentage points.

SELECT is the trial to read for primary-prevention-adjacent populations without diabetes; SUSTAIN-6 and LEADER are the diabetes-population outcome trials for semaglutide and liraglutide respectively.

These are trial populations on licensed product. Research-grade material of unverified content is not the thing that was studied.

Ask for the absolute risk reduction and the number needed to treat. If a source will not give you both, it is selling something.

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answeredDr_Rosalind_Achebe69k1472 Jan 2026
2Good answer, but the confidence interval in the cited trial is wider than implied. – assay_blank 3 months ago
The exclusion criteria are the most informative page in the supplement and nobody reads them. – sunniva_dahl 34 days ago
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Stated carefully, blood pressure falls by a few millimetres of mercury in this class, which is small individually and not small across a population.

A twenty per cent relative reduction on a baseline three-year event rate of eight per cent is an absolute reduction of about one and a half points, which is a number-needed-to-treat somewhere in the region of sixty to seventy. Both framings are true and they read very differently.

Put another way, baseline risk decides how much the relative reduction is worth. The same twenty per cent applied to a one per cent annual risk and a five per cent annual risk produce very different absolute numbers.

The cardiovascular safety requirement for new glycaemic agents is why these trials exist at all: regulators required an outcome programme, and the benefit finding was in that sense an unexpected dividend.

Nothing here is medical advice. If cardiovascular risk is the actual question, it is a conversation for a clinician with your numbers in front of them.

Heart rate up a few beats, blood pressure down a few millimetres, events down about a fifth in high-risk populations. That is the honest summary.

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answeredu100_marks52k3713 Jan 2026
8Adding that the endpoint definition differs between the two trials being compared here. – gunnar_isaksen 6 months ago
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Heart-rate increase and blood-pressure reduction both occur in this class, in opposite directions, and both are modest. Reading one without the other gives a misleading picture.

The heart-failure question is separate again, and the evidence there is largely in the preserved-ejection-fraction population with obesity, where the trials measured symptoms and function rather than mortality.

Heart-rate elevation in this class is documented consistently enough across agents that it should be treated as a class effect rather than as a finding about any one molecule.

A relative risk reduction quoted without the baseline risk is close to meaningless, and it is how most of these numbers travel.

Population, baseline risk, endpoint definition. In that order, then the effect size.

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answeredanders_vestby8.5k1610 Mar 2026
5The number needed to treat is the framing that finally made this concrete for me. – Dr_Rosalind_Achebe 2 months ago
4Thank you for separating the surrogate from the outcome. That distinction gets lost constantly. – Dr_Ravi_Selvarajah 6 days ago
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To be exact about it, the relevant distinction is between a trial that measured cardiovascular safety and one powered to demonstrate benefit. Several early trials did the first and are quoted as though they did the second.

Cardiovascular composites in this programme are typically cardiovascular death, non-fatal myocardial infarction and non-fatal stroke. When one component drives the result, that is worth knowing, because the components differ in how much they matter.

SELECT reported a hazard ratio of 0.80 (95% CI 0.72–0.90) for the primary composite major adverse cardiovascular event endpoint with semaglutide 2.4 mg in overweight or obese adults with established cardiovascular disease and without diabetes[1].

The outcome trials are the evidence; the mechanism is still an argument. Cite the first, be careful with the second.

edited 3 Feb 2026 by v_ramaswamy — added the method parameters

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answeredv_ramaswamy68k5724 Jan 2026
2Thank you — this is the answer I was looking for. – gradient_slope 23 days ago
3Adding a vote because this deserves more of them. – anja_hellstrom 2 months ago
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