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Does oral semaglutide adsorb measurably to the vial wall at 2.5 mg/mL?

Asked 10 Apr 2024Modified 2.0 years agoViewed 23k times
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For reference: oral semaglutide · 2.5 mg/mL.

I would like the arithmetic checked rather than the conclusion asserted.

I have deliberately not used an online calculator because I want to be able to check the result.

What is the general form of this calculation?

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askedclaudia_ferrante22k2710 Apr 2024
6Add the diluent — a preservative changes the in-use period entirely. – Dr_Otto_Lindqvist 2 days ago
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2.5 mg/mL is 2500 µg/mL — roughly 250 times the concentration at which surface adsorption is measurable. Losses to glass and plastic matter in the low microgram-per-millilitre range, where a monolayer on the wall is a real fraction of what is in solution. At 2.5 mg/mL that same monolayer is a rounding error. If you see an apparent loss at this concentration, suspect the dilution step or the assay before you suspect the wall.

Answer first: the degradation pathways worth knowing are hydrolysis, deamidation, oxidation, aggregation and adsorption, and each has a different trigger and a different mitigation.

Deamidation converts asparagine or glutamine to the corresponding acid via a succinimide intermediate, adding one dalton. It is base-catalysed, accelerates above neutral pH and is the dominant aqueous pathway for many peptides.

The relevant detail is that oxidation targets methionine, cysteine and tryptophan, adding sixteen daltons per oxygen. It is catalysed by trace metals and promoted by dissolved oxygen and by light.

Aggregation at air-liquid interfaces is established from surface-tension and particle-count studies and is the basis for anti-agitation handling guidance.

The caveat is that none of these pathways can be seen by looking at a vial, and a clear solution can be substantially degraded.

Cold, dry, dark, still. Those four words cover most of the mitigation.

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answered · acceptedeighty_six_hours20k271 Jul 2024
2Adding for future readers: the domestic leg after delivery is the part you control. – ben_akintola 13 days ago
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The short version: water enables most of it, oxygen enables oxidation, surfaces enable adsorption, and agitation enables aggregation.

Hydrolysis cleaves the backbone, most readily at aspartate-proline and aspartate-glycine sequences, and is acid-catalysed. In a dry solid it barely proceeds at all.

Adsorption onto glass and plastic is significant at low concentrations — micrograms per millilitre — and negligible at milligrams per millilitre. It is the usual explanation for an apparent loss in a dilute preparation.

Adsorption losses at low concentrations are quantified in formulation studies and are the reason carrier proteins are used in dilute preparations.

Nothing here is medical advice, and research-use compounds are not approved for human use.

Sequence decides which pathways are even available. Check the residues.

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answeredmarta_okonkwo190k25823 Jul 2024
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Answering this needs the physical state, since a dry powder is protected from most of these and a solution is protected from none.

Light exposure matters for tryptophan-containing sequences and for anything with a chromophore. Amber vials and a closed box are free mitigations.

A mass spectrum resolves most of this: minus eighteen is dehydration or succinimide, plus one is deamidation, plus sixteen is oxidation, and an unchanged mass with a shifted retention time is an isomer.

Sequence determines which pathways apply, so general statements are general.

At dilute concentrations, suspect adsorption before you suspect chemistry.

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answeredkwn_analytical147k35812 Jul 2024
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More usefully, aggregation is a physical process and is the one most often caused by handling rather than by time.

Freeze-thaw cycling drives aggregation through concentration at the ice interface and pH shifts as buffer components crystallise out at different rates. Each cycle costs something.

Deamidation via the succinimide intermediate is well characterised, with sequence-dependent rates highest for asparagine-glycine motifs.

Swirl, never shake. Aggregation is a handling problem more than a time problem.

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answeredelke_brunner17k2820 Jun 2024
6Is there a reason to prefer minus eighty here, or is minus twenty genuinely enough? – assay_blank 14 days ago
5I would add a sentence about light, since tryptophan-containing sequences care. – ahmed_zerouali 9 months ago
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The relevant point is that a mass shift of plus one dalton is deamidation and plus sixteen is oxidation, so degradation is often visible in a mass spectrum if anyone looks.

Aggregation is physical: peptides unfold at air-liquid interfaces and associate. Shaking maximises that interface, which is why swirling and shaking produce visibly different outcomes on the same vial.

Metal-catalysed oxidation of methionine is documented across peptide and protein formulations and is why chelators appear in some formulations.

A mass spectrum names the pathway. Plus one, plus sixteen, minus eighteen.

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answeredlyoph_cake78k2678 Jun 2024
Any published figure for how much a collapsed cake actually retains? – tandem_gradient 9 months ago
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