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Does eGFR tell me anything about hepatic fat on dulaglutide?

Asked 29 May 2025Modified 10 months agoViewed 22k times
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Concretely: eGFR · dulaglutide.

I can predict the outcome but I cannot explain it, which means I will get the next case wrong.

I would like to know how confident the field actually is about this.

So what is the mechanism, and how well established is it?

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askedesther_vandeVelde52k2729 May 2025

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Before attributing anything to a compound, account for alcohol, muscle injury from new training, and any over-the-counter product being taken alongside.

Alanine aminotransferase is relatively liver-specific; aspartate aminotransferase is also present in muscle, heart and red cells. A raised AST with a normal ALT after heavy resistance training is usually muscle, and creatine kinase settles the question.

Relative to absolute, worked

QuantityValueDerivation
Control-arm event rate8.0 %From the trial table, not the abstract
Hazard ratio0.80Reported
Treated event rate6.4 %8.0 × 0.80
Absolute risk reduction1.6 pp8.0 − 6.4
Number needed to treat631 ÷ 0.016
Relative risk reduction20 %1 − 0.80

The last two rows describe the same finding. Only one of them is used in headlines.

Gamma-glutamyl transferase is sensitive and unspecific: it rises with alcohol, with several medications and with fatty liver, and an isolated elevation rarely changes anything on its own.

Hy's law and its variants are the standard framework for identifying drug-induced liver injury in trials and are why bilirubin is measured alongside transaminases rather than instead.

The caveat is direct: rising liver enzymes with jaundice, dark urine or right-upper-quadrant pain is a same-day clinical problem, not a forum question.

Get a baseline before you start anything, because it converts an uninterpretable result into an interpretable one for the cost of one blood draw.

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answered · acceptedDr_Ravi_Selvarajah35k13730 Jun 2025
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The relevant caution is that a rapid rise, particularly with bilirubin, is a different event from a stable mild elevation and needs handling differently.

Weight loss of ten per cent or more typically reduces transaminases substantially in people whose elevation was driven by hepatic fat, which is the majority of mild elevations in this population.

Concretely, very rapid weight loss can transiently worsen liver biochemistry, which is one of several arguments against pursuing the steepest possible trajectory.

Isolated mild elevation is common and usually improves with weight loss.

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answeredDr_Sara_Kuusela28k3711 Jul 2025
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Answer first: mild transaminase elevation is common in this population before any drug is involved, and the usual cause is hepatic steatosis rather than anything acute.

Hy's law describes the combination that matters: transaminases above three times the upper limit together with bilirubin above twice the upper limit and no cholestatic explanation. That combination is a signal; isolated mild transaminase elevation is not.

Reference upper limits around forty units per litre for ALT are conventional rather than physiological; several groups have argued for limits closer to thirty for men and twenty-five for women.

New training, alcohol and over-the-counter products first. Then the interesting hypotheses.

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answeredforty_two_c66k582 Aug 2025
Minor: haemolysis inflates potassium enough to cause a fright over what is a handling artefact. – assay_blank 19 hours ago
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The honest answer is that mild elevation is very common, that it usually improves with weight loss, and that the exceptions are the reason anyone checks.

An isolated result three weeks after starting anything is difficult to interpret. A baseline taken before starting makes the same result trivially interpretable, which is the argument for baselines.

Trials in this class have generally reported improvement rather than deterioration in liver biochemistry, consistent with the weight-mediated mechanism.

Transaminases plus bilirubin plus alkaline phosphatase, or you have not measured enough to conclude anything.

edited 21 Aug 2025 by tandem_gradient — added a caveat about sampling

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answeredtandem_gradient61k24822 Jul 2025
5Is the assay method stated on your report? Two immunoassays for the same analyte do not agree with each other. – Dr_Colm_Fitzhenry 8 months ago
6Small correction: eGFR is an estimate derived from creatinine, not a measurement, and the equation used matters. – carys_meredith 9 months ago
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Reference intervals for alanine aminotransferase differ between laboratories and have been revised downward over time, so the same value can be normal on one report and elevated on another.

Creatine kinase, alkaline phosphatase and bilirubin together tell you which compartment the abnormality is in, and ordering the transaminases alone throws that information away.

Read the pattern before the magnitude, and the magnitude in multiples of the upper limit.

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answeredhalvard_ness69k4725 Sept 2025
5Adding a vote because this deserves more of them. – deamidation_watch 5 months ago
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