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What does SOUL tell me about constipation at the 14 mg dose?

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The specifics, since they change the answer: SOUL · constipation · 14 mg.

I want to understand what this actually establishes, as opposed to what it is being used to imply.

My concern is that I am being invited to draw a conclusion the data does not support.

Which parts of this are informative and which are decoration?

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askedhelena_vidmar8.5k273 May 2025
4Voting to keep this open — it is more specific than it first looks. – Dr_Lena_Ostrowska 24 days ago
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Only what the 14 mg arm reported, and the denominator is that arm rather than the trial. Adverse-event tables are published per arm, so the 14 mg incidence of constipation has its own numerator and its own denominator, and pooling it with the other arms produces a figure that describes nobody. Two further deductions before you use it. Subtract the placebo arm — constipation occurs in people who received nothing, and the difference is the part attributable to the drug. And check whether SOUL counted events or counted participants: one participant with six episodes is one row in a participant count and six in an event count, and the two get quoted interchangeably. Nothing here is medical advice.

Start with what the trial was powered for. Everything else in the publication is secondary, exploratory, or a subgroup, and those three words mean three different things.

Intention-to-treat and per-protocol analyses answer different questions. ITT asks what happens if you offer the treatment; per-protocol asks what happens if it is taken as directed. The gap between the two is a measure of how tolerable the protocol was.

Relative to absolute, worked

QuantityValueDerivation
Control-arm event rate8.0 %From the trial table, not the abstract
Hazard ratio0.80Reported
Treated event rate6.4 %8.0 × 0.80
Absolute risk reduction1.6 pp8.0 − 6.4
Number needed to treat631 ÷ 0.016
Relative risk reduction20 %1 − 0.80

The last two rows describe the same finding. Only one of them is used in headlines.

The part that matters: confidence intervals matter more than point estimates when two trials disagree. Two studies reporting fifteen and twenty per cent whose intervals overlap heavily have not disagreed about anything.

The caveat is that trial evidence is about licensed product administered under supervision. None of it transfers automatically to research-grade material of unverified content.

Read the protocol and the statistical analysis plan if the result matters to you. Both are usually published alongside.

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answeredmicron2222k382 Aug 2025
5Is the open-label extension included in that figure, or just the randomised phase? – Dr_Nadia_Farsi 6 months ago
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The part that matters: a trial establishes what happened to a defined group under a defined protocol. Extending it beyond that group is inference, and inference is allowed as long as it is labelled.

Trial populations are selected. Exclusion criteria in this class routinely remove people with significant renal impairment, prior pancreatitis and unstable psychiatric illness, which is exactly the population the results are then quoted for.

Open-label extensions are not the same evidence as the randomised phase. Once everyone knows what they are taking, the reported outcomes acquire a bias that no analysis fully removes.

Be careful about generalising from a trial population to yourself. The exclusion criteria are usually the most informative page in the supplement.

If a claim cannot be traced to a named trial with a named endpoint, treat it as a claim rather than as evidence.

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answeredgreta_holzmann23k2722 Jul 2025
3Absolute risk reduction rather than relative would make this much more useful. – ben_akintola 1 days ago
4The number needed to treat is the framing that finally made this concrete for me. – tess_amankwah 2 months ago
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Answer first: read the primary endpoint, the comparator and the population before you read the effect size. Almost every argument on this site about a trial is really an argument about one of those three.

Placebo arms in this class are not nothing. Lifestyle-intervention placebo arms in the major obesity trials commonly lose two to three per cent of body weight, so an active-arm figure quoted without its comparator overstates the drug effect by roughly that much.

The part that matters: a composite endpoint is only as informative as its least serious component. Where a cardiovascular composite combines death, infarction and stroke, ask which component moved, because they are not interchangeable outcomes.

Registry entries at ClinicalTrials.gov carry the pre-specified primary endpoint with a timestamp, which is the cheapest available check on whether an endpoint was changed after the data were seen.

When two sources disagree, the answer is almost always in the methods section of the one you have not read.

edited 16 Jul 2025 by drawn_and_capped — tightened the wording; no substantive change

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answereddrawn_and_capped12k1711 Jul 2025
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Look at the discontinuation rate alongside the efficacy figure. A large effect in the two thirds who stayed is a different result from a large effect in everyone.

Duration decides what can be seen. A 68-week trial can measure weight and glycaemia; it cannot measure anything whose event rate is one per cent per year without enrolling tens of thousands.

Meta-analyses in this area are dominated by whichever trial contributed the most participants, so read the forest plot rather than the summary estimate.

I am not a clinician and this is not medical advice; it is a reading of a published protocol.

The short version: check the endpoint, check the comparator, check who was excluded, then look at the number.

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answeredDr_Otto_Lindqvist72k5830 Jun 2025
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Before comparing two trials, check whether they share an endpoint definition. Frequently they do not, and the numbers then are not comparable in any sense.

Non-inferiority and superiority designs are not interchangeable. A non-inferiority result says the new agent is not meaningfully worse against a pre-specified margin — it does not say it is as good, and it certainly does not say it is better.

The cardiovascular outcome programme in this class runs to several large randomised trials — LEADER for liraglutide, SUSTAIN-6 and SELECT for semaglutide, REWIND for dulaglutide — and they are the reason the class is discussed as more than a weight intervention.

One qualification: absence of a signal in a trial of this size is not evidence of absence for a rare event. It is evidence that the event is rarer than the trial could detect.

Quote the interval alongside the estimate and half the disagreements on this site would not start.

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answeredDr_Otto_Lindqvist72k5819 May 2025

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Ask PeptideStack is a static archive. Posting is closed, but the norms are worth stating: answer the question that was asked, show your working, cite the trial or the certificate, and say plainly where the evidence runs out.

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