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Is vomiting on retatrutide dose-dependent or dose-rate dependent?

Asked 2 May 2024Modified 23 months agoViewed 26k times
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Concretely: vomiting · retatrutide.

I can predict the outcome but I cannot explain it, which means I will get the next case wrong.

I would like to know how confident the field actually is about this.

Can someone derive this rather than assert it?

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Answer first: vomiting is less common than nausea, is more strongly dose-related, and matters chiefly because of what it does to fluid and electrolyte balance.

Warning signs that convert this from a nuisance to a clinical problem: inability to keep fluids down for more than a few hours, reduced urine output, dizziness on standing, confusion, or severe abdominal pain.

Oral rehydration solutions work by glucose-coupled sodium co-transport, which continues to function when secretion is deranged. That is why the glucose-to-sodium ratio matters and a high-sugar sports drink is not equivalent.

Oral rehydration solution composition is standardised by the World Health Organization and rests on glucose-coupled sodium transport.

Small frequent sips of an oral rehydration solution, not large volumes of water.

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Start with frequency and duration, because an isolated episode after an escalation and repeated episodes over days are different problems.

A practical home formulation is about six level teaspoons of sugar and half a level teaspoon of salt in one litre of water, taken in small frequent sips rather than in volumes that provoke another episode.

Mechanically, an episode of vomiting several days after a dose, with no escalation and no other explanation, is not the typical pattern and deserves attention rather than tolerance.

The renal risk here is volume, not toxicity. That is the mechanism to watch.

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answeredorla_ferriter89k14826 Aug 2024
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The relevant risk chain is vomiting to volume depletion to reduced renal perfusion to a rising creatinine, which is how most acute renal events in this class occur.

Trial incidence for vomiting runs at roughly a third to a half of the nausea rate depending on agent and dose, and it is more concentrated in the escalation phase than nausea is.

Dental enamel erosion from repeated vomiting is a real if unglamorous consequence; rinsing with water rather than brushing immediately is the standard advice.

If fluids will not stay down for several hours, that is the threshold. Get help.

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answeredgrainne_ahearn50k3821 May 2024
Worth adding that the area postrema explanation also predicts why it settles. – oona_kekkonen 3 months ago
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This is the adverse effect where the honest advice is least about tolerance and most about knowing when to stop.

Fluid lost in vomit carries sodium at roughly 60 millimoles per litre and potassium at rather less, so replacing it with plain water alone dilutes plasma sodium rather than restoring balance.

Electrolyte composition of gastric and intestinal secretions is published and is the basis for replacement calculations.

The caveat is that persistent vomiting is a clinical situation and this is not the place to manage one.

Do not escalate the dose while this is happening.

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answeredlucia_marchetti19k2710 May 2024
Adding for future readers: fluids between meals rather than with them made a real difference. – tare_weight 8 months ago
8The red-flag list should be higher up the answer, not at the bottom. – tyndall_haze 7 months ago
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The short version: usually escalation-related, usually self-limiting, and dangerous mainly through dehydration.

Repeated vomiting is the mechanism behind most reported acute kidney injury in this class. The renal event is a volume event, not a direct toxicity.

Rinse rather than brush after an episode. Enamel is not replaceable.

edited 15 Jul 2024 by aine_mulcahy — tightened the wording; no substantive change

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answeredaine_mulcahy28k2713 Jul 2024
2I would add a sentence about when to stop managing it and start seeing someone. – Dr_Colm_Fitzhenry 4 months ago
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