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Is a 97.6% result from Janoshik comparable to 98.4% from Medutest?

Asked 9 Jul 2024Modified 22 months agoViewed 27k times
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What I have: 97.6% · Janoshik · 98.4% · Medutest.

I have used one of these for a while and I am considering switching, which requires a reason.

What I care about is reproducibility, because a result I cannot repeat is not useful to me.

What does each option buy me, and what does it cost me?

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askedDr_Lena_Ostrowska38k279 Jul 2024

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97.6 and 98.4 are 0.8 percentage points apart, which sounds small until you restate it as impurity. Janoshik is leaving 2.4 per cent of the detected area unassigned and Medutest 1.6 per cent — a factor of 1.5 between them. The impurity fraction is the quantity that moves when a method changes, and it is the one worth arguing about; the headline is just its complement. Comparable means same column chemistry, same gradient slope, same detection wavelength, same integration convention. Until you have those four from both laboratories, 97.6 and 98.4 are two measurements of slightly different quantities that happen to share a unit.

Purity is a method-dependent figure, and that is not a limitation of the measurement, it is a property of what the measurement actually answers.

The fraction of your main peak that is actually your target versus isomers, fragments or related sequences is invisible without complementary identity testing.

Reconciling gross mass to label claim

ComponentTypical shareCounted in purity?Counted in content?
Target peptide88–94 %Yes, as main peakYes
Related impurities1–3 %Yes, as other peaksNo
Counter-ion (TFA or acetate)2–8 %NoNo
Residual water2–6 %NoNo
Bulking agent, if present0–40 %NoNo

The relevant detail is that column pore size affects mass transfer — a 100 Angstrom packing on a 5 kDa peptide restricts diffusion, broadening the peak and potentially hiding small impurities in the shoulders.

Inter-laboratory studies on identical peptide material routinely find half-a-per-cent to a full-per-cent spreads in reported purity on the same sample.

Worth noting that method standardisation is poor in the research-grade space compared to pharmaceutical work, so identical-looking methods can produce different results.

If you are ranking vendors, specify a method and have all samples tested at the same place.

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answered · accepteds_kalniete57k3815 Aug 2024
4Confirming from the other direction: I ignored the method section once and paid for it. – plate_count_9k 2 months ago
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Understanding purity requires separating the chemistry from the method from the reporting convention, and the three are not independent.

Gradient slope controls resolution, and gentler slopes resolve co-eluting impurities into separate peaks — so the better method reports the worse purity number.

Sample solvent strength affects peak shape — if you inject in strong solvent on a gradient starting in weak solvent, the solvent peak can distort your main peak or create a false shoulder.

Published side-by-side method comparisons show that a two-point difference in purity on the same vial is easily explained by method choice alone.

Compare purity within a single laboratory on the same method, never across laboratories.

edited 5 Oct 2024 by priya_menon — clarified the distinction between purity and content

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answeredpriya_menon13k3528 Sept 2024
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The underlying point is that the method matters more than the vial, which is why specifying a method buys you far more than changing suppliers does.

Mobile phase additive choice affects ionisation and peak shape — TFA gives sharp peaks but suppresses mass spectrometry signal, formic acid gives worse peaks but preserves signal.

Integration of the shoulder — whether you use perpendicular drop or tangent skim — determines what area gets assigned to the main peak versus the impurity table.

The Arrhenius relationship for peptide degradation is the basis of accelerated stability testing and also governs how quickly methods drift with temperature.

The limitation is that single-digit micro-impurities become invisible at typical reporting thresholds, so "no impurities detected" means "none above one in two thousand."

The practical summary: ask for the chromatogram and the method, and ignore the headline number until you have both.

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answeredplate_count_9k78k2484 Aug 2024
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The short answer is that two competent laboratories on identical material will disagree, and the disagreement is almost always explainable by method differences.

Buffer versus acid in the mobile phase changes the ionisation state of basic and acidic residues, shifting retention and selectivity — same vial, potentially different separation.

Proline conformer interconversion kinetics are well-characterised and the half-life is of the same order as the chromatographic peak width at room temperature.

If you only pay for one test, pay for quantified content. Purity is the number everyone quotes and content is the number that changes what you do.

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answeredj_wierzbicki69k14826 Aug 2024
This should be linked from the help pages. – nynke_dekker 7 months ago
2Any reason to prefer ion chromatography over fluorine NMR for the counter-ion here? – g_paskevicius 8 months ago
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Mechanically, gradient slope is the most powerful parameter and almost nobody mentions it, which is why two reports on the same material disagree by a point.

Retention time is sequence-specific and method-specific, so comparing your result to a supplier value using a different method is meaningless without method documentation.

The caveat is that purity without identity is only half an answer — a high purity does not mean the peak is actually what you think it is.

In practice: ask for the chromatogram, check the method section, check the lot number against the vial, and set your accept threshold before you see the result rather than after.

edited 20 Sept 2024 by ekaterina_volk — corrected a unit error in the worked example

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answeredekaterina_volk21k286 Sept 2024
4Does this hold for a longer chain length, where the deletion sequences accumulate? – coldpack_88 2 months ago
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