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How do I tell nausea from an energy deficit on 1,400 kcal a day?

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Conditions: nausea · 1,400 kcal.

I think I have a problem. I am not yet sure whether it is a real problem or a measurement artefact.

I want to know whether this is recoverable or whether the honest answer is to write it off.

How do I distinguish the benign explanation from the one that matters?

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askedsasha_ferreira9.4k1517 Aug 2024

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Start with what 1,400 kcal a day leaves you room for, because at that intake the deficit is a live competing explanation rather than a footnote. Protein is 4 kcal per gram, so 100 g costs 400 kcal — 29 per cent of the entire day's energy — and everything else has to come out of the remaining 1000. A day that misses protein at 1,400 kcal has missed it by a wide margin, and nausea that tracks those days is a nutrition signal. Then separate the two by timing: a dose effect is periodic and phase-locked to the injection or to an increase, and a deficit effect is monotonic and gets worse the longer the intake stays at 1,400. Log intake, protein and nausea on the same daily row for a fortnight and the two patterns separate without any further cleverness. Nothing here is medical advice.

The relevant detail is that this is the complaint with the widest differential and the one most often attributed too quickly.

Three days of honest weighed intake usually settles this. Estimated intake in this situation is systematically wrong and usually wrong in the direction that hides the problem.

Mechanically, carbohydrate intake specifically affects training performance and perceived energy at a given total intake, which is why very low carbohydrate approaches feel worse in the gym at matched energy.

Self-reported intake underestimates measured intake by twenty per cent or more in doubly labelled water comparisons.

Nothing here is medical advice.

Check fluid and sodium before anything more exotic.

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answered · acceptedcal_hennessy17k2724 Oct 2024
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The underlying point is that if it persists at an adequate intake, it needs blood work rather than more speculation.

Iron deficiency is common, particularly in menstruating women, and low intake plus a reduced red-meat share makes it more likely. Ferritin is the test, and it is an acute-phase reactant so it needs interpreting alongside CRP.

The part that matters: sleep quality often changes during rapid weight loss in both directions, and sleep debt produces fatigue that no amount of dietary adjustment will fix.

Attributing a symptom with a wide differential to the most recent change is a common and expensive error.

Sleep is a variable here too, and no amount of eating fixes sleep debt.

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answeredclaudia_ferrante22k274 Nov 2024
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Answering this needs to know the size of the deficit, since fatigue tracks it closely and predictably.

Dehydration from reduced fluid intake alongside reduced food intake produces headache, lethargy and postural dizziness, and is the cheapest thing on the list to correct.

Fatigue that appeared abruptly, rather than gradually with the deficit, is a different pattern and points away from intake.

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Abrupt onset points away from the deficit and towards something else.

edited 17 Oct 2024 by ayo_fadipe — added the citation requested in comments

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answeredayo_fadipe9.4k162 Oct 2024
8Same experience here, different supplier. – tare_weight 7 months ago
The red-flag list should be higher up the answer, not at the bottom. – kwn_analytical 8 months ago
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The honest answer is that this is usually fixable by eating more, which is unwelcome advice in this context.

Hypothyroidism, sleep apnoea, depression and anaemia all present as fatigue and all become more likely rather than less in this population, so attribution to the compound should be a diagnosis of exclusion.

The caveat is that fatigue with breathlessness, chest symptoms or sudden onset needs assessment rather than dietary adjustment.

If it persists at an adequate intake, get bloods rather than more theories.

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answeredcal_hennessy17k2713 Oct 2024
2Confirming that slowing the titration fixed this rather than any of the other things I tried. – h_villanueva 10 months ago
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Start with the actual intake, because a substantially suppressed appetite produces deficits far larger than intended and fatigue is the first symptom.

A deficit beyond about a thousand kilocalories a day reliably produces fatigue, reduced training performance and reduced spontaneous movement. With appetite suppressed, deficits of that size arrive by accident rather than by plan.

Energy deficits above roughly a thousand kilocalories a day are associated with measurable reductions in resting metabolic rate, spontaneous activity and subjective energy in controlled studies.

Weigh three days of intake honestly. That answers this most of the time.

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answeredrhian_prydderch23k2710 Sept 2024

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