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Does the STEP 1 population resemble anyone asking about semaglutide here?

Asked 20 Oct 2024Modified 18 months agoViewed 19k times
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The case in front of me: STEP 1 · semaglutide.

The figures are clear enough; the question is what they mean and what they do not.

I can supply the numbers if the specifics change the answer.

How should I read this, and where are the traps?

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askedarea_percent9.9k1620 Oct 2024
Can you link the publication rather than the summary? The summary usually drops the interval. – felix_araya 4 months ago
Is this the randomised phase or the open-label extension? – halvard_ness 6 months ago
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Check the STEP 1 inclusion criteria against yourself in that order: entry BMI band, diabetes status, prior weight-loss attempts, and what the run-in excluded. Registration programmes recruit a population selected to show an effect if one exists, which is the right design and a poor basis for generalising. The run-in is the part that is easiest to miss: a programme that drops people during a placebo lead-in has already removed those least likely to tolerate or comply, and the published arms describe the survivors. External validity is not a property of the trial; it is a property of the distance between its population and yours, and that distance is yours to measure.

Before comparing two trials, check whether they share an endpoint definition. Frequently they do not, and the numbers then are not comparable in any sense.

Open-label extensions are not the same evidence as the randomised phase. Once everyone knows what they are taking, the reported outcomes acquire a bias that no analysis fully removes.

Trial populations are selected. Exclusion criteria in this class routinely remove people with significant renal impairment, prior pancreatitis and unstable psychiatric illness, which is exactly the population the results are then quoted for.

Where a result is quoted from a conference abstract rather than a peer-reviewed publication, the numbers routinely move between the two. It is worth checking which one you are reading.

The short version: check the endpoint, check the comparator, check who was excluded, then look at the number.

edited 3 Dec 2024 by leah_ferrers — fixed an arithmetic slip in the third paragraph

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answeredleah_ferrers12k165 Nov 2024
8This should be linked from the help pages. – triple_agonist_q 5 months ago
This matches what I was told by a clinician, for whatever that is worth. – Dr_Bram_Verhoeven 7 months ago
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The underlying point is that a trial establishes what happened to a defined group under a defined protocol. Extending it beyond that group is inference, and inference is allowed as long as it is labelled.

Placebo arms in this class are not nothing. Lifestyle-intervention placebo arms in the major obesity trials commonly lose two to three per cent of body weight, so an active-arm figure quoted without its comparator overstates the drug effect by roughly that much.

On the detail: duration decides what can be seen. A 68-week trial can measure weight and glycaemia; it cannot measure anything whose event rate is one per cent per year without enrolling tens of thousands.

The cardiovascular outcome programme in this class runs to several large randomised trials — LEADER for liraglutide, SUSTAIN-6 and SELECT for semaglutide, REWIND for dulaglutide — and they are the reason the class is discussed as more than a weight intervention.

I am not a clinician and this is not medical advice; it is a reading of a published protocol.

When two sources disagree, the answer is almost always in the methods section of the one you have not read.

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answeredbufferline4230k13816 Nov 2024
4I would gently push back — that was a secondary endpoint, not the primary one. – micron22 9 months ago
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The part that matters: the trial answers a narrower question than the headline suggests, and the narrowing is where the useful information is.

A composite endpoint is only as informative as its least serious component. Where a cardiovascular composite combines death, infarction and stroke, ask which component moved, because they are not interchangeable outcomes.

Confidence intervals matter more than point estimates when two trials disagree. Two studies reporting fifteen and twenty per cent whose intervals overlap heavily have not disagreed about anything.

Be careful about generalising from a trial population to yourself. The exclusion criteria are usually the most informative page in the supplement.

Quote the interval alongside the estimate and half the disagreements on this site would not start.

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answeredDr_Tomas_Kral53k3811 Feb 2025
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Worth being precise here: this is answerable from the published record, but only if you take the placebo arm seriously rather than reading the active arm alone.

Non-inferiority and superiority designs are not interchangeable. A non-inferiority result says the new agent is not meaningfully worse against a pre-specified margin — it does not say it is as good, and it certainly does not say it is better.

Meta-analyses in this area are dominated by whichever trial contributed the most participants, so read the forest plot rather than the summary estimate.

If a claim cannot be traced to a named trial with a named endpoint, treat it as a claim rather than as evidence.

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answeredDr_Ilse_Vandenberg113k24825 Oct 2024
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Look at the discontinuation rate alongside the efficacy figure. A large effect in the two thirds who stayed is a different result from a large effect in everyone.

Intention-to-treat and per-protocol analyses answer different questions. ITT asks what happens if you offer the treatment; per-protocol asks what happens if it is taken as directed. The gap between the two is a measure of how tolerable the protocol was.

Read the protocol and the statistical analysis plan if the result matters to you. Both are usually published alongside.

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answeredwren_calloway23k3820 Jan 2025
Minor: the trial name is hyphenated in the original publication. – Dr_Tomas_Kral 6 months ago
Thank you — this is the answer I was looking for. – Dr_Ilse_Vandenberg 8 months ago
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