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Does holding at 1.7 mg for three weeks before escalating reduce vomiting?

Asked 19 Jan 2025Modified 15 months agoViewed 14k times
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The specifics, since they change the answer: 1.7 mg · three weeks · vomiting.

I would like the mechanism, because I want to be able to reason about the cases nobody has written about.

I have tried to reason it out from first principles and got to two contradictory conclusions.

What is actually going on here, physically?

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askedm_haraldsen21k2719 Jan 2025
7How long was the gap? Under a week and over a month are different answers. – ilaria_bertone 2 months ago
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three weeks at 1.7 mg is 21 days at one dose level — and the arithmetic the question hides is that it also moves every dose above 1.7 mg back by 21 days. Whether that reduces vomiting depends on which quantity it tracks. A symptom driven by the dose itself is unchanged by waiting: 1.7 mg is 1.7 mg on day 1 and on day 21. A symptom driven by the rate of change has 21 days of no change to settle in, which is the case the hold is actually made for. The distinction is testable on your own record: plot vomiting against days-since-last-increase rather than against dose, and if the peaks line up with the increases the hold is doing something. Escalation schedules are set by a prescriber, and nothing here is medical advice.

Answer first: the titration schedule exists to let tolerance to the gastrointestinal effects develop between steps, and every step in it is a tolerability decision rather than an efficacy one.

For an agent with a one-week half-life, steady state after a dose change is reached in about four to five weeks. Escalating at two weeks means escalating from a position you have not yet reached, and the resulting exposure is higher than the schedule intends.

Weekly dosing accumulation, 7-day half-life

WeekFraction of steady stateTrough as × dose
150 %0.50
275 %0.75
388 %0.88
494 %0.94
597 %0.97
698 %0.98

This is why a four-week step interval is approximately, but not exactly, steady state.

To be exact about it, escalating while gastrointestinal symptoms are still active is the commonest avoidable error. Tolerance to the previous step has not developed, and the new step lands on top of it.

Trial data show gastrointestinal adverse events concentrated in the escalation phase and declining at stable doses.

Slower costs time and nothing else. The ceiling is the same.

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answered · acceptedDr_Nadia_Farsi104k24723 Jan 2025
2The arithmetic on steady state is worth doing once and remembering. – Dr_Elias_Weiss 3 months ago
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The short version: four-weekly steps for the weekly agents, hold rather than escalate when symptoms are active, and slower is always available.

The published tirzepatide schedule steps 2.5, 5, 7.5, 10, 12.5 and 15 mg at four-week intervals, with 2.5 mg as the initiation step rather than a therapeutic one.

Worth being precise here: the dose that produces an acceptable result with acceptable tolerability is the endpoint, not the top of the schedule. A substantial fraction of trial participants did well below the maximum.

Efficacy in the trials was dose-related but with substantial response at intermediate doses, which is why the maximum is not a target for everyone.

Stepping back is a normal adjustment, not a failure.

edited 26 Feb 2025 by Dr_Lena_Ostrowska — corrected a unit error in the worked example

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answeredDr_Lena_Ostrowska38k2714 Feb 2025
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The honest answer is that going slower costs time and nothing else, since the exposure ceiling is unchanged.

Holding a step for eight weeks instead of four is a legitimate approach with no efficacy cost at the destination, and it is what the trials effectively did for anyone who tolerated poorly.

On the detail: the published semaglutide weight-management schedule steps 0.25, 0.5, 1.0, 1.7 and 2.4 mg at four-week intervals, with 0.25 mg as an initiation step rather than a therapeutic one.

The caveat is that titration decisions belong with a clinician who knows what else is on board.

Four half-lives between steps, minimum. Work it out for your agent.

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answeredDr_Nadia_Farsi104k2473 Feb 2025
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The initiation step in most schedules is not intended to be therapeutic; it is there to introduce the receptor to the drug.

Liraglutide titrates weekly rather than four-weekly because its half-life is about thirteen hours, so steady state is reached within days. The interval follows the pharmacokinetics in both cases.

Faster titration does not reach the destination sooner in any way that matters; it reaches the symptoms sooner.

Hold rather than escalate while symptoms are active. Always.

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answeredaine_mulcahy28k2712 May 2025
7I would add a line about not escalating during an illness. Learned that one the hard way. – plate_count_9k 8 months ago
8Adding a vote because this deserves more of them. – sample_id 4 days ago
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This is the single most consequential controllable variable in the whole experience, and people routinely rush it.

Titrating downward is available too. Stepping back and holding is a normal adjustment rather than a failure.

The top of the schedule is not the target. The working dose is.

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answeredesther_vandeVelde52k2731 Mar 2025
5Confirming that holding a step rather than escalating fixed this for me. – orla_ferriter 5 months ago
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