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What did the placebo arm of FLOW report for early satiety?

Asked 23 Jun 2026Modified 1 min agoViewed 9k times
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Stated plainly: FLOW · early satiety.

I want to understand what this actually establishes, as opposed to what it is being used to imply.

My concern is that I am being invited to draw a conclusion the data does not support.

Which parts of this are informative and which are decoration?

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askedsecond_lot9.4k1423 Jun 2026
5Is this the randomised phase or the open-label extension? – loss_on_drying 2 months ago
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Start with what the trial was powered for. Everything else in the publication is secondary, exploratory, or a subgroup, and those three words mean three different things.

Duration decides what can be seen. A 68-week trial can measure weight and glycaemia; it cannot measure anything whose event rate is one per cent per year without enrolling tens of thousands.

Placebo arms in this class are not nothing. Lifestyle-intervention placebo arms in the major obesity trials commonly lose two to three per cent of body weight, so an active-arm figure quoted without its comparator overstates the drug effect by roughly that much.

The cardiovascular outcome programme in this class runs to several large randomised trials — LEADER for liraglutide, SUSTAIN-6 and SELECT for semaglutide, REWIND for dulaglutide — and they are the reason the class is discussed as more than a weight intervention.

Be careful about generalising from a trial population to yourself. The exclusion criteria are usually the most informative page in the supplement.

When two sources disagree, the answer is almost always in the methods section of the one you have not read.

edited 2 Aug 2026 by Dr_Colm_Fitzhenry — removed a claim I could not source

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answered · acceptedDr_Colm_Fitzhenry69k24722 Jul 2026
7Absolute risk reduction rather than relative would make this much more useful. – tare_and_weigh 23 days ago
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Before comparing two trials, check whether they share an endpoint definition. Frequently they do not, and the numbers then are not comparable in any sense.

Trial populations are selected. Exclusion criteria in this class routinely remove people with significant renal impairment, prior pancreatitis and unstable psychiatric illness, which is exactly the population the results are then quoted for.

Put another way, a composite endpoint is only as informative as its least serious component. Where a cardiovascular composite combines death, infarction and stroke, ask which component moved, because they are not interchangeable outcomes.

I am not a clinician and this is not medical advice; it is a reading of a published protocol.

Quote the interval alongside the estimate and half the disagreements on this site would not start.

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answeredDr_Jonas_Halvorsen28k3714 Jul 2026
5The exclusion criteria are the most informative page in the supplement and nobody reads them. – p_mkhize 2 months ago
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Answer first: read the primary endpoint, the comparator and the population before you read the effect size. Almost every argument on this site about a trial is really an argument about one of those three.

Intention-to-treat and per-protocol analyses answer different questions. ITT asks what happens if you offer the treatment; per-protocol asks what happens if it is taken as directed. The gap between the two is a measure of how tolerable the protocol was.

Open-label extensions are not the same evidence as the randomised phase. Once everyone knows what they are taking, the reported outcomes acquire a bias that no analysis fully removes.

Meta-analyses in this area are dominated by whichever trial contributed the most participants, so read the forest plot rather than the summary estimate.

Read the protocol and the statistical analysis plan if the result matters to you. Both are usually published alongside.

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answeredDr_Nadia_Farsi104k24718 Jul 2026
8Thank you for separating the surrogate from the outcome. That distinction gets lost constantly. – Dr_Colm_Fitzhenry 30 days ago
7Do you have a reference for the last claim? Not disputing it, just want to read it. – t_oyelaran 9 months ago
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On the detail: this is answerable from the published record, but only if you take the placebo arm seriously rather than reading the active arm alone.

Confidence intervals matter more than point estimates when two trials disagree. Two studies reporting fifteen and twenty per cent whose intervals overlap heavily have not disagreed about anything.

The caveat is that trial evidence is about licensed product administered under supervision. None of it transfers automatically to research-grade material of unverified content.

The short version: check the endpoint, check the comparator, check who was excluded, then look at the number.

edited 17 Aug 2026 by halvard_ness — expanded the table to cover the lower concentration

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answeredhalvard_ness69k4726 Jul 2026
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Put another way, a trial establishes what happened to a defined group under a defined protocol. Extending it beyond that group is inference, and inference is allowed as long as it is labelled.

Non-inferiority and superiority designs are not interchangeable. A non-inferiority result says the new agent is not meaningfully worse against a pre-specified margin — it does not say it is as good, and it certainly does not say it is better.

Registry entries at ClinicalTrials.gov carry the pre-specified primary endpoint with a timestamp, which is the cheapest available check on whether an endpoint was changed after the data were seen.

One qualification: absence of a signal in a trial of this size is not evidence of absence for a rare event. It is evidence that the event is rarer than the trial could detect.

If a claim cannot be traced to a named trial with a named endpoint, treat it as a claim rather than as evidence.

edited 16 Jul 2026 by Dr_Tomas_Kral — added the placebo-arm figures

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answeredDr_Tomas_Kral53k3829 Jun 2026
Thank you — this is the answer I was looking for. – t_oyelaran 8 months ago
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