Setup, so nobody has to ask: REDEFINE-1 · cagrilintide.
This is asserted often enough that I assumed it was established, and then I went looking for the source.
I have searched the primary literature and found one paper that is adjacent but not on point.
Is there data behind this, or is it received wisdom?
Fair depends on the comparator arm, and in REDEFINE-1 that means asking whether the comparator was titrated to the same ambition as the experimental one. A head-to-head that runs its comparator to a dose below the one it is licensed at is not measuring the two agents, it is measuring one agent against a handicapped version of the other. Check three things: the maximum comparator dose reached, the proportion of the comparator arm that reached it, and whether the titration schedules had the same duration. If those match, the comparison is fair on dosing and the argument moves to the endpoint. If they do not, the effect size is partly an artefact of the protocol.
The trial answers a narrower question than the headline suggests, and the narrowing is where the useful information is.
Open-label extensions are not the same evidence as the randomised phase. Once everyone knows what they are taking, the reported outcomes acquire a bias that no analysis fully removes.
| Trial | Agent | n | Duration | Primary result |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| STEP 1 | Semaglutide 2.4 mg | 1,961 | 68 wk | −14.9 % vs −2.4 % weight |
| STEP 2 | Semaglutide 2.4 mg, T2DM | 1,210 | 68 wk | −9.6 % vs −3.4 % weight |
| SURMOUNT-1 | Tirzepatide 5/10/15 mg | 2,539 | 72 wk | −15 / −19 / −21 % weight |
| SURMOUNT-4 | Tirzepatide, withdrawal | 670 | 88 wk | Continued loss vs substantial regain |
| SELECT | Semaglutide 2.4 mg | 17,604 | ~40 mo | MACE HR 0.80 (0.72–0.90) |
| FLOW | Semaglutide 1.0 mg, CKD | 3,533 | ~3.4 yr | Renal composite reduced; stopped early |
| SURMOUNT-OSA | Tirzepatide, OSA | 469 | 52 wk | AHI reduced with and without PAP |
Concretely, non-inferiority and superiority designs are not interchangeable. A non-inferiority result says the new agent is not meaningfully worse against a pre-specified margin — it does not say it is as good, and it certainly does not say it is better.
Where a result is quoted from a conference abstract rather than a peer-reviewed publication, the numbers routinely move between the two. It is worth checking which one you are reading.
One qualification: absence of a signal in a trial of this size is not evidence of absence for a rare event. It is evidence that the event is rarer than the trial could detect.
When two sources disagree, the answer is almost always in the methods section of the one you have not read.
edited 1 Feb 2025 by Dr_Ilse_Vandenberg — fixed an arithmetic slip in the third paragraph
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Browse resultsStart with what the trial was powered for. Everything else in the publication is secondary, exploratory, or a subgroup, and those three words mean three different things.
Intention-to-treat and per-protocol analyses answer different questions. ITT asks what happens if you offer the treatment; per-protocol asks what happens if it is taken as directed. The gap between the two is a measure of how tolerable the protocol was.
The part that matters: confidence intervals matter more than point estimates when two trials disagree. Two studies reporting fifteen and twenty per cent whose intervals overlap heavily have not disagreed about anything.
The caveat is that trial evidence is about licensed product administered under supervision. None of it transfers automatically to research-grade material of unverified content.
Quote the interval alongside the estimate and half the disagreements on this site would not start.
The short version: the effect is real, the magnitude depends on the population, and the population is usually the part that gets dropped when a result is quoted second-hand.
Placebo arms in this class are not nothing. Lifestyle-intervention placebo arms in the major obesity trials commonly lose two to three per cent of body weight, so an active-arm figure quoted without its comparator overstates the drug effect by roughly that much.
Trial populations are selected. Exclusion criteria in this class routinely remove people with significant renal impairment, prior pancreatitis and unstable psychiatric illness, which is exactly the population the results are then quoted for.
Meta-analyses in this area are dominated by whichever trial contributed the most participants, so read the forest plot rather than the summary estimate.
I am not a clinician and this is not medical advice; it is a reading of a published protocol.
If a claim cannot be traced to a named trial with a named endpoint, treat it as a claim rather than as evidence.
Answer first: read the primary endpoint, the comparator and the population before you read the effect size. Almost every argument on this site about a trial is really an argument about one of those three.
A composite endpoint is only as informative as its least serious component. Where a cardiovascular composite combines death, infarction and stroke, ask which component moved, because they are not interchangeable outcomes.
Registry entries at ClinicalTrials.gov carry the pre-specified primary endpoint with a timestamp, which is the cheapest available check on whether an endpoint was changed after the data were seen.
Be careful about generalising from a trial population to yourself. The exclusion criteria are usually the most informative page in the supplement.
Read the protocol and the statistical analysis plan if the result matters to you. Both are usually published alongside.
edited 1 Feb 2025 by coring_risk — added the placebo-arm figures
Before comparing two trials, check whether they share an endpoint definition. Frequently they do not, and the numbers then are not comparable in any sense.
Duration decides what can be seen. A 68-week trial can measure weight and glycaemia; it cannot measure anything whose event rate is one per cent per year without enrolling tens of thousands.
The short version: check the endpoint, check the comparator, check who was excluded, then look at the number.
edited 17 Feb 2025 by wren_calloway — updated for the 2026 guidance change
Ask PeptideStack is a static archive. Posting is closed, but the norms are worth stating: answer the question that was asked, show your working, cite the trial or the certificate, and say plainly where the evidence runs out.